Recruiting Forum Football Talk [RIP 9.3.2019]

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BeecherVol said:
Currie was willing to try and tamper the fan flames (that he didn't fathom on the front end), the other inferno was well outside his swing. Jimmy's arrogant azz didn't care either way.
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You think Jimmy is going to try and come back with a vengeance after he didn't get his way?
 
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nicksjuzunk said:
Tony Robbins tells an amazing story that sounds completely apocryphal, but he says it is from Stallone himself.



DISCLAIMER: Tony can use some salty language, and I can't recall if there is any in it, so decide for yourself if that's a personal issue. From memory, I would say there is not.
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Man,what an inspirational story. Thank you for sharing this.
 
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GoBigOrange86 said:
I don’t think anything irritates me quite like the meme that Tennessee fans are spoiled and entitled among the SEC. It’s complete nonsense.

LSU hasn’t had a losing season since DiNardo was there. They fired a national title winning coach whose worst record was 8-5.

Mark Richt had all of one losing season in his years at UGA. He was canned after back-to-back 10 win seasons.

Florida fired a coach who had won his division and 10 games in back-to-back seasons IN THE MIDDLE OF HIS THIRD SEASON.

Auburn fired Gene Chizik after one bad season, less than two years removed from a national title.

And WE’RE spoiled? Tell me one fanbase that would have stayed as loyal as we have after 5-7, 7-6, 6-7, 5-7, 5-7, 5-7, 7-6, 9-4, 9-4, 4-8, and 5-7/6-6. Give me a break. The only legacy program in the SEC that can even relate is LSU of the late 80s/early 90s. I’m sick of the notion that we’re the impatient ones in this conference.
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Fans are freaking crazy and delusional, actually can't that be said of the world anymore? At the end of the day, not everyone can win, throwing money around like they are peanuts can help, but chances are it won't for most.
The problem is... just because you fire a coach and then hire the next guy at $5 million a year could actually make the situation just as bad if not worse. Tennessee fans are no more crazy than the crazy LSU fan or Alabama fan, the problem is.... maybe there is something wrong with the bigger picture, meaning much of this has gonna out of control.

At the end of the day... the schools are doing themselves a big disfavor if they let the nuts run the asylum... over and over that has happened. I'm sure all those crazy insane fans over in Nebraska would love to have Bo Pelini back.

Crazy insane fans never take responsibility for their wrong calls... they continuously think they are right, no matter how many times they make mistakes... its always someone else's fault.
 
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ChismsHeadband said:
Gonna disagree to a slight degree with you there.

2015-- close losses to OU, UF, and then the disappointment at home to a winnable Arkansas team. We had a bye between Arkansas and UGA where things were at fever pitch and Butch NEEDED to win then. There were comparisons to Dooley, as their records were virtually identical. Lo and behold, we beat UGA, lose close at Alabama, and win out.

But a sizeable chunk of the fanbase was out on Butch after that disastrous start to 15, and I'm not sure if he won everyone back. Of course it's hard to blame them (I say "them" because I was firmly in the "give Butch time" camp, until the debacle of 2016 Carolina).. Even getting the doors blown off us against Bama at home... I get it's Bama, but we were ranked top-10.

I agree with the whole of your point. MOST of us are patient, forgiving, understanding. The crazies can be unbearable at times, but it seems like with Butch, they were the canaries in the coal mine.
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I didn’t even contemplate being out on Butch in 2015. My initial “uh oh” moment was the 2016 class. It was supposed to be the best class of all time according to some, and was a pretty big whiff to me in light of how we finished 2015. So I had doubts, but I was out after USC 2016. I knew he probably wasn’t going to be fired (especially with the Hart/chancellor situation) but was really hoping he would find another job after that year.
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
There was a big turn on this board. The first half of the coaching search was everyone saying that Currie is a ninja, a superstar, who wouldn’t let money stop him from hiring the best coach in the world. Heck, we might even get Gruden. If not Gruden, we’ll pay Chris Petersen 10 mil to coach here! We were confident.

Then there was the other half after we learned that Currie was an incompetent fraud being ordered around by Haslam and his ilk and that he didn’t care about winning at all, just money and buildings. During the Schiano/borin Doeren debacle, we would have taken almost anyone else. We went from confident to desperate real quick. Thankfully papaw Phil saved us.
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This is a good assessment - and yay for the reVOLt!
 
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McGeesPub said:
I didn’t even contemplate being out on Butch in 2015. My initial “uh oh” moment was the 2016 class. It was supposed to be the best class of all time according to some, and was a pretty big whiff to me in light of how we finished 2015. So I had doubts, but I was out after USC 2016. I knew he probably wasn’t going to be fired (especially with the Hart/chancellor situation) but was really hoping he would find another job after that year.
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I was with you. We had a good class (JG/Callaway/CFA/Osborne/Bituli) going, Dobbs was rounding into shape and was always a blast to watch. Our defense hadn't fallen off the planet yet. I was firmly in Butch's camp.

But the tension was palpable. That 2015 bye week was when the story broke that Butch punched Crowder, and that Seth douche asked him about it in a press conference and tweeted about how red Butch got. There were multiple blurbs and tweets going around about Butch = Dooley.

Even though the team responded, it seems that Butch still collapsed, and it was only a matter of time before the players collapsed under that pressure, too.
 
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OGbabyaviVol said:
Hey @BruinVol, so that link you sent me yesterday shows as of right now that % picks coming in has improved for TN. Yesterday it was 51-49% for us...currently, it’s 58-42% for us. The line remains the same at -3.5 for Vandy...what does that tell you so far.
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With it being so close to 50/50 I don't think this is a game where we are going to learn Much from vegas.
 
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Aesius said:
Agreed. It's a lazy narrative. This fanbase is awesome and actually really patient. We weren't wrong at all about wanting Dooley or Jones fired. We also gave them plenty of chances and time to get it done.
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I agree that in the end we weren't wrong about wanting Dooley or Jones fired. But that's not the problem people judge us for. I believe you and perhaps others are guilty of a little selective memory that's skewing your perception of the situation. We had many fans who were against both hires from the get-go; and they let it be known. I wasn't very excited about the hires either. But I'm willing to support the coach, give him a chance, hope for the best, and hope he succeeds.

But many fans wouldn't and don't do that. They're against the hire and that's the end of the story. And they let it be known often, long before most reasonable people would agree that each coach needed to go. Many others tried, or at least pretended to try, to give them a chance to succeed. But it didn't take much for them too to jump on the loud and proud "fahr the coach" bandwagon. And since the AD didn't agree with them and fire the coach as soon as they wanted, it got louder and louder. The fact that in the end the coaches needed to be fired doesn't justify the actions of those people. In fact, I believe they contributed to the ultimate failure of each coach. And that's the part people remember. That's the part people are judging. Not our final verdict that the coaches needed to be fired, rather the utterly impatient fans who cry "fahr away" at the first sign that things may not work out, or go the way they think it should go, right now, while ignoring the consequences of firing a coach.

And we will see it again.
 
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bignewt said:
You give the majority of our fan base far too much credit. Most have a casual working knowledge of football that doesn't extend much past the W-L record. That is the group that is most vocal, that is your #voltwitter. We lose Saturday, be ready.
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Agree with that 100%.
It's still not representative of the whole fan base.

Sab is a perfect example. Same dude doing these same dumb stuff over Ave over. I'd bet most of the participants on vol Twitter are gray the same group of people too.

And it still doesn't represent the majority.

Just the same vocal minority saying the same things as loud as they can as often as they can
 
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jakez4ut said:
Agree with that 100%.
It's still not representative of the whole fan base.

Sab is a perfect example. Same dude doing these same dumb stuff over Ave over. I'd bet most of the participants on vol Twitter are gray the same group of people too.

And it still doesn't represent the majority.

Just the same vocal minority saying the same things as loud as they can as often as they can
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I liken it to the recruiting forum(intelligent, level-headed but a minority) and the football forum (most, reactionary, less intelligent).
 
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bignewt said:
I liken it to the recruiting forum(intelligent, level-headed but a minority) and the football forum (most, reactionary, less intelligent).
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True, but "forum participant" != "average Vols fan", regardless of whether it is FF or RF. Not sure where Twitter falls in that spectrum, but they are probably leaning more towards forum participant than average fan.
 
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SSVol said:
True, but "forum participant" != "average Vols fan", regardless of whether it is FF or RF. Not sure where Twitter falls in that spectrum, but they are probably leaning more towards forum participant than average fan.
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I just used it as a comparison. Jake said the vocal chowder heads of our fanbase are the minority and I say they are more than likely the majority.
 
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Chief Vol 13 said:
I just can't help but wonder if he'll try to oust Fulmer eventually
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If Pruitt is successful and Phil does a solid job running the dept he won't be able to do it. Thankfully. I don't think this is a long term job for Phil, especially if JP is rolling in a few years. He walks away the hero into retirement.
Now if Pruitt fails and or Phil has issues thats a different story.
 
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ChismsHeadband said:
Gonna disagree to a slight degree with you there.

2015-- close losses to OU, UF, and then the disappointment at home to a winnable Arkansas team. We had a bye between Arkansas and UGA where things were at fever pitch and Butch NEEDED to win then. There were comparisons to Dooley, as their records were virtually identical. Lo and behold, we beat UGA, lose close at Alabama, and win out.

But a sizeable chunk of the fanbase was out on Butch after that disastrous start to 15, and I'm not sure if he won everyone back. Of course it's hard to blame them (I say "them" because I was firmly in the "give Butch time" camp, until the debacle of 2016 Carolina).. Even getting the doors blown off us against Bama at home... I get it's Bama, but we were ranked top-10.

I agree with the whole of your point. MOST of us are patient, forgiving, understanding. The crazies can be unbearable at times, but it seems like with Butch, they were the canaries in the coal mine.
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Totally agree. I'm definitely talking about the majority. Every fan base has fringes on both sides. That's just being a group of people.

Heck, there are some fans who were out on Pruitt before he arrived on campus. It'll always be that way. Some will defend a coach until the ship is sunk and the insurance money has been doled out.

For some reason journalists and many folks in general don't seem to understand a few people with Twitter accounts don't constitute the entirety of the group they claim to represent.
 
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BeecherVol said:
If Pruitt is successful and Phil does a solid job running the dept he won't be able to do it. Thankfully.
Now if Pruitt fails and or Phil has issues thats a different story.
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Even if the football program got rolling, I could see him still wanting to blow it up simply because those aren't his people.
 
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OrangenSC said:
I'm still flabbergasted that we are even thinking or talking about firing any coach at this point.
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We've already had a better season than expected. I'd understand if arkansas fires a few coaches after going 2-10 but we've overachieved, despite what I believe is a sub par OC. You fire a coach after 1 season and that season was better than anyone expected, you're going to have a hard time getting a decent replacement. I hate that we hired Helton in the first place, but it would be much worse to fire him or anyone else after this season. He's not so bad that there is no chance he can ever be a good OC.
 
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