Could JT Shrout play in the last four games?

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Volman365 said:
Still cant figure out the premise of a lawsuit.
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A service invites a kid to 3 showcases claiming there will be college coaches attending, family pays said service $3000 to participate in these showcases. Family sees 4-10 colleges combined at all 3 showcases, they were told as many as 60 schools would attend the 3 events. Family gets mad, service then guarantees that if they come to the super showcase they've been selected for there will be 75 coaches at one event and they verbally guarantee said player will get an offer at super showcase, oh yeah it's $2500 to attend. Family gets suckered in, pays the fee, attends the showcase and never gets an offer from the 15 coaches in attendance. Now they are mad, have been lied to and are out $5500 and only saw 25 coaches the whole summer, none of which ever talked to the family, oh yeah they were told they were a DI prospect but kid only received an offer from a C.C. in Pennsylvania.
This happens a bunch. Lots of these showcases the recruiting service will pay college coaches to attend to make their numbers look better. Athletic Scholarships are tough to get and they are worth big money to families, lots of lies and deception out there you have to wade through. Mommas get mad when folks promise to help their babies and end up doing nothing.
 
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PulaskiVolFan said:
Do you comprehend basic reading? No one said JG will be there the 21 season. Do you follow recruiting, if not then start counting, 2021 season - Mauer RS Fr, Stout RS So, McBride RS Jr and whoever we sign in 2020 will be the 4 QBs on the roster. If McBride transfers he'll be replaced with a recruited backup. Our QB competition will be between said 4 guys and I'm betting that Pruitt recruits over both Stout and Mauer in 2020
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What if somehow Pruitt lands Tua's little brother I bet he would start next year.
 
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butchna said:
But you parcel them out as BACKUPS! I know more about recruiting than you pretend to. No way is it “common” for programs to recruit for backups! Not even Bama does that. Their fourth string at any position could start at many P5 schools. I could give a shat about the BBB or tax implications of whatever it is that you’re schlocking. Maybe you’re a highly rated success with ratings out the yahzoo. On here you’re a babbling incoherent spazz in drastic need of a sedative.
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Bamas current 3rd string QB was a unranked kid headed to Arkansas St this year. Because of transfers, they needed a decent 3rd QB on their roster so they made him the offer. He accepted knowing that Tua and Hurts are both likely to be on the roster this year and next and that Tuas little brother and Bear Bryant's grandson would be competing for the spot once Tua leaves. Jones will never be anything but a backup at Alabama and he knows it and knew it when Saban offered. Newsflash, it's very rare to convince 2 top guys to compete for the starting QB job and keep the one that lost out as he will transfer. You only have room for 1 high profile guy as starter and one as future, the other 2 are career college backups that are on scholarship. Highly talented QBs will transfer before they sit the bench. Go back and look at UTs qb roster history and see how many never saw long significant playing time or anytime really. Clemson is in the same exact boat, as is Notre Dame, Oklahoma and LSU. Georgia has it right but fields is getting antsy I feel. Not sure why you don't see it. Not every prospect is a DI starter, 80% of them are less than 3 stars. If either Shrout or Maerer transfer down the road it's doubtful any top programs would pick either one, JG would be snapped up by weeks end.
 
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PulaskiVolFan said:
Chryst does not have pro potential, at least not on any draft boards.
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you absolutely cannot convince some of this right here. some will have you believe that even the nfl guys are wrong and he should start over cam newton, russell wilson, or deshawn watson.........you see what i did here......hey, it is what it is
 
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This is actually interesting... it's kinda like the early signing period in that the red shirt rule is so new that coaches don't really know how it will impact things. Traditionally freshman QB's didn't start unless they were phenoms and even then only if they were in the right situation. Personally, I'd like to see Shrout get a few snaps against Charlotte in the second half, barring we have enough of a lead to do it. However, I don't think we will and I wouldn't blame Pruitt. We still have work to do and we need to use Charlotte as a tune-up game and try to get to 6 wins. Seeing Shrout play in a real game isn't a top priority right now.
 
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PulaskiVolFan said:
He'd better gain some weight, JG will be pushing 230+ next year and will have earned the spot, especially if we can make and win a bowl game. If we finish 5-7 or 4-8 then Stout may play but I think we'll win 3 of 4, win the bowl game, finish 7-6 and return all 11 starters from an improving offense. Just can't see turning that over to a new qb.
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I like your optimism, but from what I've seen 5-7 is tops for this hapless Vol team, I do pray I'm wrong however:)
 
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SGMVols said:
He won't play this year unless JG and KC both get hurt, and even then they may play McBride over him. They want him to have more time in the weight room.
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Someone may have already mentioned this, but McBride didn't make the travel roster last weekend and Shrout did. Unless McBride is injured, that would seem to indicate that Shrout is ahead of McBride on the get-in-the-game chart. Which is a very good thing IMO.
 
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njvols said:
I personally think that JG is more banged up than anyone letting on, but healthy enough to be functional...he air-mailed 3-4 passes last week that were very uncharacteristic. If we're able to get up early (which we've not done this year...ugh), I'd expect Chryst to get serious PT vs CLT, and don't expect Shrout to play because we're not going to have the luxury of mop up duty, other than CLT. Gotta keep Chryst sharp b/c of likelihood that JG needs relief over the next 3 SEC games. Just my opinion.
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He was air mailing those passes b/c of throwing off his back foot. He still frustrates me, with those issues that pop up from time to time. The inconsistency is confounding. He'll be a completely different passer (from a technique standpoint) from quarter to quarter sometimes.
 
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PulaskiVolFan said:
Bamas current 3rd string QB was a unranked kid headed to Arkansas St this year. Because of transfers, they needed a decent 3rd QB on their roster so they made him the offer. He accepted knowing that Tua and Hurts are both likely to be on the roster this year and next and that Tuas little brother and Bear Bryant's grandson would be competing for the spot once Tua leaves. Jones will never be anything but a backup at Alabama and he knows it and knew it when Saban offered. Newsflash, it's very rare to convince 2 top guys to compete for the starting QB job and keep the one that lost out as he will transfer. You only have room for 1 high profile guy as starter and one as future, the other 2 are career college backups that are on scholarship. Highly talented QBs will transfer before they sit the bench. Go back and look at UTs qb roster history and see how many never saw long significant playing time or anytime really. Clemson is in the same exact boat, as is Notre Dame, Oklahoma and LSU. Georgia has it right but fields is getting antsy I feel. Not sure why you don't see it. Not every prospect is a DI starter, 80% of them are less than 3 stars. If either Shrout or Maerer transfer down the road it's doubtful any top programs would pick either one, JG would be snapped up by weeks end.
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You’re taking exceptions and calling them “common”...that’s where you fail. Bama decided to take a QB in this past class. They didn’t PURPOSEFULLY seek out a mediocre prospect. They took the best one that would sign on knowledgeable of Tua and Hurts remaining eligibility. If Trevor Lawrence or Justin Fields would have signed on does Saban turn them down because they’re too damn good?
 
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butchna said:
When he signed? Yeah.
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I don't have a problem with you believing what you do but go do some research before you say it. I've been doing this for 5 years, our company for 33 years and we see it in EVERY sport. Only 3 or 4 teams get everyone they want to sign each year the rest have to scramble to find 1 quality D1 qb, much less 3 or 4 on the roster. We're lucky in that we currently have 2 that can produce at this level right now, remains to be seen if Shrout or Mauer have what it takes and it'll very likely take them 2 more seasons of spot work to find out.
 
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butchna said:
You’re taking exceptions and calling them “common”...that’s where you fail. Bama decided to take a QB in this past class. They didn’t PURPOSEFULLY seek out a mediocre prospect. They took the best one that would sign on knowledgeable of Tua and Hurts remaining eligibility. If Trevor Lawrence or Justin Fields would have signed on does Saban turn them down because they’re too damn good?
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You can't use Bama as a comparison as them, Clemson, Ohio State and Ga are on a different level as everyone else when it comes to recruiting right now. We currently have a good QB roster for the next 2 seasons and it's why we will only sign one this year. No sense in getting 2 as Pruitt is going after a big gun in the 2020 class to replace JG with. I'm not convinced that Mauer or Shrout will be the guy in 3 years, my guess is that one will transfer and one will compete for the starting job with a newcomer if we're lucky enough to land him.
 
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PulaskiVolFan said:
You can't use Bama as a comparison as them, Clemson, Ohio State and Ga are on a different level as everyone else when it comes to recruiting right now. We currently have a good QB roster for the next 2 seasons and it's why we will only sign one this year. No sense in getting 2 as Pruitt is going after a big gun in the 2020 class to replace JG with. I'm not convinced that Mauer or Shrout will be the guy in 3 years, my guess is that one will transfer and one will compete for the starting job with a newcomer if we're lucky enough to land him.
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I'm not convinced JG starts next year.
 
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PulaskiVolFan said:
Do you comprehend basic reading? No one said JG will be there the 21 season. Do you follow recruiting, if not then start counting, 2021 season - Mauer RS Fr, Stout RS So, McBride RS Jr and whoever we sign in 2020 will be the 4 QBs on the roster. If McBride transfers he'll be replaced with a recruited backup. Our QB competition will be between said 4 guys and I'm betting that Pruitt recruits over both Stout and Mauer in 2020
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I read fine, it’s just that you’re a literal mess. You brought up JG as part of the scenario of someone being recruited in 2021. That was what was confusing to start and you haven’t succeeded at making a rational point since. A major flaw in that numbers logic is McBride. If you still have your chips out, I’ll double your bet that he’s not a factor NEXT year much less 2021. He screams transfer. And you don’t recruit over TWO QB’s with a 20 class true freshman...they’re already HERE! Maybe Harrison or whomever beats one or both out as a true freshman THEN they start weighing options like transferring...a 21 prospect would have little to no bearing on that situation. If the 20 kid DOESN’T beat them out, then one or both has a reasonable expectation of being able to compete for a starting spot. And you need to quit spouting this presently nonexistent kid as a factor until he becomes a reality and then realize not all true freshmen are instant hits...JG wasn’t.
 
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PulaskiVolFan said:
You can't use Bama as a comparison as them, Clemson, Ohio State and Ga are on a different level as everyone else when it comes to recruiting right now. We currently have a good QB roster for the next 2 seasons and it's why we will only sign one this year. No sense in getting 2 as Pruitt is going after a big gun in the 2020 class to replace JG with. I'm not convinced that Mauer or Shrout will be the guy in 3 years, my guess is that one will transfer and one will compete for the starting job with a newcomer if we're lucky enough to land him.
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And if we don’t? What’s your plan C? What’s funny in this back and forth is that I’ve always advocated for your guy (JG) to get a fair chance and not be saddled with preconceptions or snap judgements. But you’re as inflexible and pig headed as much as any Chryst disciple when addressing Shrout and Maurer. Pruitt will recruit the best available every year and throw them into the mix...and pick the best. Confident that’s what he’s done with JG and that’s the evenhanded approach that gives Shrout and Maurer just as good of a shot as your mythical QB.
 
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butchna said:
You’re taking exceptions and calling them “common”...that’s where you fail. Bama decided to take a QB in this past class. They didn’t PURPOSEFULLY seek out a mediocre prospect. They took the best one that would sign on knowledgeable of Tua and Hurts remaining eligibility. If Trevor Lawrence or Justin Fields would have signed on does Saban turn them down because they’re too damn good?
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This makes my point, it's difficult, almost impossible 2 have 3-4 top QBs capable of being effective in this league. If it were easy LSU would be Alabama. I understand the take the best available approach and usually for a backup qb they are not that great. Bama has 2nd string QBs playing all over the country for non power5 teams, guys that get recruited over but will never contribute much are everywhere and most of those guys were expected to never contribute. Difference between Pruitt and dipstick Jones is that Pruitt will run off the ones that can't play or won't work. I'm curious to see who gets run off this offseason. I'm guessing it'll be a couple of wideouts and outside LBs.
 
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PulaskiVolFan said:
He'd probably see some time. He's a better runner than Tua, not nearly as good at spinning it.
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That's not what some talent evaluators are saying. The reports are he is actually better than his older brother at spinning it.
 
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PulaskiVolFan said:
I don't have a problem with you believing what you do but go do some research before you say it. I've been doing this for 5 years, our company for 33 years and we see it in EVERY sport. Only 3 or 4 teams get everyone they want to sign each year the rest have to scramble to find 1 quality D1 qb, much less 3 or 4 on the roster. We're lucky in that we currently have 2 that can produce at this level right now, remains to be seen if Shrout or Mauer have what it takes and it'll very likely take them 2 more seasons of spot work to find out.
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They sign the best available every year? Yeah that’s not recruiting backups. And quit spouting that “research” garbage! Your commercial ain’t research. I don’t give a flip about your company. It hasn’t made you any less confusing. You’re definitely no talent scout with your K-Town level snap judgements. Bet your dumbazz company would’ve sent Aaron Rodgers packing back in the day.
 
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butchna said:
And if we don’t? What’s your plan C? What’s funny in this back and forth is that I’ve always advocated for your guy (JG) to get a fair chance and not be saddled with preconceptions or snap judgements. But you’re as inflexible and pig headed as much as any Chryst disciple when addressing Shrout and Maurer. Pruitt will recruit the best available every year and throw them into the mix...and pick the best. Confident that’s what he’s done with JG and that’s the evenhanded approach that gives Shrout and Maurer just as good of a shot as your mythical QB.
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I never said they don't have a shot, said it's very likely barring injury that JG starts the next 2 years and we have a QB competition for the 2021 season. Because of JG I don't see both of them hanging around for 2 years on the bench. Both are very capable to win the job in 21 I just believe that for the next 2 years Pruitt is going to work to add a stud QB to the class and I can't see him bringing a stud in to sit the bench behind Shrout.
 
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PulaskiVolFan said:
I never said they don't have a shot, said it's very likely barring injury that JG starts the next 2 years and we have a QB competition for the 2021 season. Because of JG I don't see both of them hanging around for 2 years on the bench. Both are very capable to win the job in 21 I just believe that for the next 2 years Pruitt is going to work to add a stud QB to the class and I can't see him bringing a stud in to sit the bench behind Shrout.
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You need to be more fluid. Why’d Smart bring in Fromm after Eason and Fields after Fromm? You’re advocating recruiting scared and I don’t believe that’s who we hired. You don’t recruit someone to backup...thought we covered that? 😉
 
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Remy said:
That's not what some talent evaluators are saying. The reports are he is actually better than his older brother at spinning it.
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Show me those reports. I've heard the exact opposite from the hs coaches in his area as well. Everyone we've talked to says he doesn't have the accuracy or velo of his brother. He's a much better runner though and it's clear. We'll see if he can beat out Bear Bryant's grandson in a couple of years.
 
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