The QB Debate.... Post Bama (merged)

#576
#576
HessHallHeath said:
What baffles me is that Helton let's JG drop back and run plays that take several seconds to develop and in the process gets him blasted every time he tries to throw a pass. JG finally gets injured and Helton brings Chrystal in and calls quick hitters and screens which allow him to stay clean and upright and then most on here wanna crown Chryst the better QB. I call bull!! How about giving JG some of those quick throws to keep him from getting him blasted every time he tries to throw the ball. Prime example, the quick throw to JJ which resulted in one of our td's. 2 step drop and get it out to the receiver the play is designed for? And please don't give me that old, stainless argument that JG holds the ball too long! You have to hold the ball for a couple of seconds at least to have a chance to complete a deep ball or even a crossing route where the receivers have to go across the field. Chryst couldn't start for a mediocre pac-12 team and Pruitt knew it. He is an insurance policy and nothing more
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I this is what you think is happening, just stay baffled. Rewatch the 2nd quarter. You and K-Town must be roommates. You didn't watch the same game the rest of us did.
 
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diehardvolsfan said:
In all reality Pruitt knew it was a lost cause for a comeback after halftime; getting that safety then Bama scoring again like 2 mins later. The whole coaching staff went ultra conservative in the 2nd half. I would have loved to seen at least 2 more TD on the board but it is what it is. We got decimated from the very get go. I watched every second of that game and after that blitzkrieg Bama rained down early in the first quarter I knew we wouldn’t win but wouldn’t get shutout. Personally Chryst should have started from the onset and maybe the score isn’t 58-21. Maybe it’s more like 44-28 or something...the guys kept playing well and didn’t cash out like last year. I see promise in the future of this team and hope they play their hearts out these last 5 games!! 7 wins isn’t out of the question. The mentality of the team has to be “we want a bowl game this year” and if they think that it will happen!! Keep fighting boys and Go Vols!!!
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dead on, I was calculating it at 42-28. Safety wasn't on KC, the kick returner was just trying to do too much to process where he was and what was going on.
 
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k-town_king said:
Hey genius, if he is such a great "quarterback" why is he a career 54% passer who can't win the starting job?

Make all the excuses about the second half you want. He came back down to reality.

He had MORE ATTEMPTS the second half than in the first half everyone is hyped up over. He was just not as good when the defense adjusted.

He came in down 28 when Pruit and Saban both acknowledge the UT o started trying new things. JG had just hit a big pass. KC continued on the momentum and capitalized on the coaching adjustments.
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You're a piece of work. And WRONG.

Not only that, either you didn't read my post or can't comprehend. Maybe both. Who knows? Regardless, I'll spell it out so you can see how simple minded and absurd your "coming down from reality" comment is when seeing the facts. By the way, all of this can easily be found of the play-by-play part in the box score at espn.com. I encourage you to check it out. A little simple math and a Google search is required though.

First half:
5-7 119 yards, 2 TD's
Second half:
4-8, 45 yards. 4-7 and ALL 45 second half passing yards were on 50 yard third qtr drive that resulted in missed FG. 0-1 over the last 20 minutes of the game on the last two offensive possessions. The last possession was ALL runs. Process that for a minute...

What does that tell you?? Tennessee was iliterally in "let's get out of here" mode after ONE second half possession(after botched kickoff) that resulted in a missed FG. Not exactly "coming down from reality", as you said, considering the one drive in the second that they attempted to do ANYTHING resulted in a 50 yard drive and a missed FG.

By the way, are you a charter member of the JG fanclub? I think I heard the membership has a free mobile stream of his transfer announcement from the previously used CGI version of Times Square. All courtesy, once again, of Bleacher Report. No worries though. If you can't view it volquest staff will be front and center, once again.
 
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#579
There’s no questioning a lot of positives attributes of JG. I wish the very best for the guy, but he has to figure out some way to slow the game down in his head. Honestly, I am very surprised he hasn’t been seriously injured. He’s taken 2-3 shots in every game that most QBs take 2-3 of in a season.

I actually wish his completion percentage was lower. If he’d throw the ball away sometimes instead of standing in and getting blasted, everybody would be better off.

As for starting Chryst, I don’t know. Personally, I think he seems to play like a more complete quarterback. But there’s obviously more too it that I have no knowledge of. So, I’m content to let the coaches make the decisions. They have to handle the fallout, so let them make the calls.
 
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#580
Darth_Shiveman said:
Not the first time we've seen a backup QB come in and catch Bama off guard. Dobbs did in 2014 and never had a good game against Bama again.
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Never had a good game?! He about led them to a huge win the very next year at Tuscaloosa. Had the lead with about 6 minutes left.
 
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#581
k-town_king said:
Hey genius, if he is such a great "quarterback" why is he a career 54% passer who can't win the starting job?

Make all the excuses about the second half you want. He came back down to reality.

He had MORE ATTEMPTS the second half than in the first half everyone is hyped up over. He was just not as good when the defense adjusted.

He came in down 28 when Pruit and Saban both acknowledge the UT o started trying new things. JG had just hit a big pass. KC continued on the momentum and capitalized on the coaching adjustments.
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How many TD's did JG throw against Bama? Asking for a friend.
 
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This all goes back to our O line, mostly. It's a hodge podge of stick a body somewhere and go with it. JG just doesn't have enough time against quality pass rush teams like Bama. I saw KC "manage" the game a bit better than JG yesterday. Those that I know that know football really well say KC's ability to read defenses is better than JG. Agree with an above post, if JG wants to get there, he's got to somehow slow the game down. Our pass blocking, like last week vs Auburn, and our play calling have to be much better for that to happen for JG. I really have grown to like JG, but I would not have a problem if KC started next week. He just seems to have a better idea of what's going on in front of him at the moment.
 
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Steven5198 said:
Never had a good game?! He about led them to a huge win the very next year at Tuscaloosa. Had the lead with about 6 minutes left.
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He was very lucky that Bama dropped 4 INTs that game. It wasn’t a very good dame for him, all things considered.
 
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VolTexas said:
KC has made contributions to the team as a reliable backup. JG could learn stuff from him, if he wanted to.

My concern is that everyone be treated fairly, including the fans.

Here are the reasons coming to UT was a good move:
  • Todd Helton is a decent QB coach.
  • Demonstrated team player rather than cancer.
  • Played well enough against Alabama to get a look from a few pro teams. Maybe better than any QB in his draft class.
If he does not play another snap, yesterday should be good enough to get him drafted. Better than Peterman. Runs an offense better than Bray.

UT did not do him wrong. Saturday against Alabama was enough to get him noticed. The back shoulder training before the Auburn game filled some skill gaps. Might have a 6 year pro career in part because of UT finishing school. He'll be OK.
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LMAO. One half of football was enough to get him drafted? There's nothing about his game that's significantly improved from the last two years. If he was an NFL Qb he'd be in the NFL by now, and wouldn't be a 5th year senior as a backup.
 
#589
#589
Anyone else notice the wristband play caller that Chryst wears? Does he wear his wristband because of his late introduction to the offense? He may have a select number of plays chosen for him is all I can think of. But I continue to be impressed with his calm at the LOS. He is quite deliberate in surveying the field. Yet, he also seems to be keenly aware that this Oline is only going to protect a few micro seconds. For a guy who just started in late summer, he selects his receiver targets well and is relaxed with the speed of the game. I would add that he has obviously spent some serious time learning classroom offensive playcalls that we run and uses his observations from the sidelines of just how critical it is to distribute the ball quickly and where his weapons are and the direction they are headed.
 
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JacketVol said:
He saw the play and stood in there knowing the big hit was coming and threw the ball and then got blasted after he fully let it go. Complete 40 plus yard throw and then got blown up. I was right there on the 30 and saw the hit after he delivered it. Knee he was hurt and my thoughts what a tough SOB to do what he did instead of tucking it and falling down. He knew what he had to do the execute the play and has bruised ribs because of it and you say that crap. You sir are the soft wuss who shouldn’t play football not JG. Some of you make me sick with your Chuck Norris persona but are little you know what’s in real life blasting on a kid who made a great play while sacrificing his body for the entertainment of the likes of you.
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Taking hits you don't need to doesn't make you tough. And anytime you would like to find out whether or not I am a "soft wuss" let me know and I can help you out.
 
#591
#591
LibertyVolance said:
Anyone else notice the wristband play caller that Chryst wears? Does he wear his wristband because of his late introduction to the offense? He may have a select number of plays chosen for him is all I can think of. But I continue to be impressed with his calm at the LOS. He is quite deliberate in surveying the field. Yet, he also seems to be keenly aware that this Oline is only going to protect a few micro seconds. For a guy who just started in late summer, he selects his receiver targets well and is relaxed with the speed of the game. I would add that he has obviously spent some serious time learning classroom offensive playcalls that we run and uses his observations from the sidelines of just how critical it is to distribute the ball quickly and where his weapons are and the direction they are headed.
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JG wears one too. Its a helton thing.
 
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Steven5198 said:
You're a piece of work. And WRONG.

Not only that, either you didn't read my post or can't comprehend. Maybe both. Who knows? Regardless, I'll spell it out so you can see how simple minded and absurd your "coming down from reality" comment is when seeing the facts. By the way, all of this can easily be found of the play-by-play part in the box score at espn.com. I encourage you to check it out. A little simple math and a Google search is required though.

First half:
5-7 119 yards, 2 TD's
Second half:
4-8, 45 yards. 4-7 and ALL 45 second half passing yards were on 50 yard third qtr drive that resulted in missed FG. 0-1 over the last 20 minutes of the game on the last two offensive possessions. The last possession was ALL runs. Process that for a minute...

What does that tell you?? Tennessee was iliterally in "let's get out of here" mode after ONE second half possession(after botched kickoff) that resulted in a missed FG. Not exactly "coming down from reality", as you said, considering the one drive in the second that they attempted to do ANYTHING resulted in a 50 yard drive and a missed FG.

By the way, are you a charter member of the JG fanclub? I think I heard the membership has a free mobile stream of his transfer announcement from the previously used CGI version of Times Square. All courtesy, once again, of Bleacher Report. No worries though. If you can't view it volquest staff will be front and center, once again.
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So he had more attempts and nowhere near the same performance. Thus proving my point. If the second half attempts aren’t enough to tell anything then the first half attempts aren’t enough.

What it tells me is that he had the same amount of attempts in the third as the second. When they saw the defense adjusted and he wasn’t getting the easy wide open passes like the second then they didn’t pass much more.

Saban and Pruittt both said they switched things up in the second resulting in some easy opportunities for KC.

BAMA adjusted at the half. They shut down the yac. Then KC was his normal mediocre self second half.


FLVOL_79 said:
How many TD's did JG throw against Bama? Asking for a friend.
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How many vs Aub?

How many did KC have second half when they adjusted the defense.
 
#594
#594
k-town_king said:
Down 28. They went vanilla. No pressure. The oc calling quick passes and he hit the first guy who has been wide open. When no one was wide open we got an over throw. JG was the national player of the week. He has been better all year.

Chryst playing great. Don't get carried away though.
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The only reason JG has been playing ahead of Chryst is because Chryst is a senior and Pruitt is more concerned about building than winning right now.
 
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DVols33 said:
The only reason JG has been playing ahead of Chryst is because Chryst is a senior and Pruitt is more concerned about building than winning right now.
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And the fact that he is a better qb with a better arm and more upside. But besides those things, yea.
 
#596
#596
johnfnkelly said:
It's possible to think JG is better than Chryst, while also ackowleding JG isn't a long term answer in his current state either. I'm ready for the Maurer era.
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Why do you think JG is better than Chryst? Chryst has not been allowed to play and even then until yesterday he wasn't allowed to throw and even after 2 TD drives Pruitt has us come out running the ball in the 2nd.

"Keller Chryst is the Vols’ highest graded player by PFF"
 
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johnfnkelly said:
It's possible to think JG is better than Chryst, while also ackowleding JG isn't a long term answer in his current state either. I'm ready for the Maurer era.
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When it comes down to it this is a debate over 2 mediocre qbs. I personally think KC is better at getting rid of the ball under pressure but either way I don't think either one is significantly better than the other. Hopefully Pruitt will recruit better qbs.
 
#598
#598
k-town_king said:
And the fact that he is a better qb with a better arm and more upside. But besides those things, yea.
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Let's say JG has better arm though I'm not sure that's true, he can't use that arm lying on his back. And when your QB is lying on his back all day there is a lot of upside as you can't get much lower.

JG does not see the field that well. Against Auburn the coaches changed up his reads on receivers and that helped him get rid of the ball but Bama shook him up and he never saw past his primary receiver.... He also has a bad habit of looking at his primary coming out of the huddle.. Watch the video. Bama coaches knew this.

I guess we will see as JG is out for a while. But I'm sure you will find excuses for the offense improving unless of course Pruitt doesn't let Chryst throw the ball.
 
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#600
The main thing is that it doesn't seem to break any continuity when JG comes out and KC comes in. I know the coaches will play whomever they feel stronger about going forward. Just from my own perspective, I see no reason to be afraid of interchanging them at times or to start Chryst and bring in JG if needed. Some might feel that this would hurt JG's confidence, but he doesn't have much that I can see. He seems very edgy and unsettled. Needs to relax before the count and observe the defensive shifts and alignment taking place. I bet Helton is harping on that in conferences with him during the week. You know they are trying their best to prepare him. It must not come natural or either he is just too tight and is trying so hard that he can't think at times.
 
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