The QB Debate.... Post Bama (merged)

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Matt2496 said:
After that performance against Bama, one of the top D's in the country, KC should have the starting job from here on out.
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I guess you didn’t watch the whole second half like many other posters.

He had a great quarter coming in down 28 with the oc finally making some adjustments to quick passes.
 
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Loved me some Earl Morrall back in the 60s and early 70s.
 
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Fullfillmer said:
The reality is KC has a very quick release much like Tua -- there are obvious advantages to that over JG's long slow delivery style. KC also recognizes defenses and works through his progressions better. It is what it is - I am confident JG will be our primary qb for the next few games - primarily because he is a sophomore and KC will be out of here. - but if I were drafting a team ..... I would pick KC first and every time over JG - for the above mentioned reasons. He surely aided his draft stock just based on his play yesterday. Small sample ... but he played exceptionally well. Think Nathan Peterman vs. Florida and compare that to KC yesterday. Looking back - he will have the best qb rating against Alabama of everyone that they play this year, including the playoffs and that is saying something.

I like both our quarterbacks --- ( NOTE ) Would like to trade one for a couple of offensive linemen.
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I don't think either of our guys has much draft stock. JG may have a future as a camp arm. KC probably needs to try to find a coaching gig.
 
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KBVol said:
In a 58-21 loss? Equivalent to being the smartest kid in summer school imo. He played fairly well in relief of JG, especially given the circumstances. But let’s not get ahead of ourselves. Nice to know he’s a competent backup.
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It's killing you KB admit it.
 
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jamesthesame said:
Chrysts ability to get rid of the ball quick is a good combination with a mediocre offensive line.
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It will be interesting to see how opposing defenses go after Chryst. Attacking JG seems to be the best strategy because he doesn't get it out too quickly. Wouldn't surprise me to see them do the opposite with Chryst and let him sit back in the pocket. He was worse at Stanford against teams that backed off and let him try to pick them apart than against teams that tried to bring pressure and left the short game open.
 
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k-town_king said:
I guess you didn’t watch the whole second half like many other posters.

He had a great quarter coming in down 28 with the oc finally making some adjustments to quick passes.
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Yeah, I watched a different game than you did. When he came in he wasn't throwing quick passes. Quick passes are short slants 7 or less yards. He and JJ were moving the sticks.
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
Yeah, I watched a different game than you did. When he came in he wasn't throwing quick passes. Quick passes are short slants 7 or less yards. He and JJ were moving the sticks.
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Yea with the receivers making nice runs after the catch. He did a great job distributing the ball.

For a quarter.
 
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KBVol said:
In a 58-21 loss? Equivalent to being the smartest kid in summer school imo. He played fairly well in relief of JG, especially given the circumstances. But let’s not get ahead of ourselves. Nice to know he’s a competent backup.
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True. Remember those TD's JG threw against Bama before he got hurt?













Neither do I.
 
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CA_Vol said:
JG vs Auburn was the anomaly. Either the guy won’t put in the work to learn how to read defenses or he can’t figure it out. I’m not sure which is worse. He a redshirt sophomore who takes too many hits because he can’t see obvious blitz packages and refuses to shift the protection. Is the o-line bad? YES. But a lot of the abuse JG is taking is because he isn’t playing smart football.

Chryst doesn’t take the hits JG does. Why? Because he can read the defense and gets the ball out. He played well yesterday and deserves that recognition. Is the answer and should he be playing over JG? I have no idea and will trust the coaches to make that determination, but the love affair with JG and his “toughness” when much of the pain he is taking is due to his poor decision-making is down right lame.
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I would say there is way more truth to this post than the JG needs to play even if he is hurt bunch.

Once again, I am concerned who our backup is now.
 
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None of the QBs we've seen play on this team remind me of any QB I've seen play in a regular season NFL game
 
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CA_Vol said:
JG vs Auburn was the anomaly. Either the guy won’t put in the work to learn how to read defenses or he can’t figure it out. I’m not sure which is worse. He a redshirt sophomore who takes too many hits because he can’t see obvious blitz packages and refuses to shift the protection. Is the o-line bad? YES. But a lot of the abuse JG is taking is because he isn’t playing smart football.

Chryst doesn’t take the hits JG does. Why? Because he can read the defense and gets the ball out. He played well yesterday and deserves that recognition. Is the answer and should he be playing over JG? I have no idea and will trust the coaches to make that determination, but the love affair with JG and his “toughness” when much of the pain he is taking is due to his poor decision-making is down right lame.
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But what about JG's completion %? Thats the gold standard for QB's on this board.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
None of the QBs we've seen play on this team remind me of any QB I've seen play in a regular season NFL game
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The point was they both were very Stiff in their moves....................lighten up a little and enjoy life a little bit.......learn to laugh at yourself its healthy...we are all just humans after all
 
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SoMissVol said:
JG is the guy. KC got some run, played well, and I’m happy for him. That does not mean he needs to suddenly be the starter. The coaches watch these guys every day in practice. If they though KC was the guy, they’d play the guy. I simply don’t see this as being a debate anymore. JG has played the best football this season. He’s been more confident, made some big throws, even the leadership aspect has improved. The kid got hurt (probably earlier than we think and that lick just took the wind out of him) and coaches decided they wanted to save his life. KC came in guns blazing because his ass hadn’t been planted every drop back for the whole first half. He made two really great throws that first series. The throw to Chandler was an absolutely athlete moment by number 8, had little to do with KC. After that, the magic left. All the people who want KC are simply looking for a simply solution to fix the offense and you all are looking at the wrong position group. Move Trey back to guard next season, get Kennedy back, add the two 2019 5* to the tackle spots (because they will immediately be better than every tackle we have), and watch this offense blossom.
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What if UT coaches give Shrout a chance to play a little this year and he looks good and then Mauer gets here early and looks good? JG is simply doing something wrong that should have been already corrected. What if it's natural ability and others have what JG doesn't? Could it be the ability to see the field and react? Some QB's have a natural ability in that area and some don't and it has a lot to do with the transition from HS to Div.1 NCAA football and understanding the scheme. JG had 4-5 months jump on KC notwithstanding the fact that KC was given the playbook at the same time. I can't say that KC was playing against Bama's 2nd team defense or that Bama was calling off the blitz,(which isn't likely), and that made KC appear to be playing better. Anyway the guy played well and the offense clicked for some reason.
Now let's go back 6 years to Crompton who many felt was lacking in skill for the SEC. What does Kiffin do? Teaches him to roll out. This narrows his field of vision by half and all Kiffin has to do is tweak the receiving routes to be more successful. Enter the next problem and may prove to be a bad one. OC's Helton and Friend don't have experience with roll-out type fast QB's. Their scheme requires and is dependent on a solid performance from an OLine. This isn't the best scenario to have with a fast QB who is another threat to consider from a defensive perspective, especially one who can pass well. UT QB's will have to adjust to fit the scheme whereas the optimal predicament would be to adjust the scheme to fit the QB's natural abilities. A good running QB would give Bama fits and Fields at UGA may be that guy in the SEC. Just not sure if he has the arm or has learned to read the defense just yet.
All said and done UT's offense is set and limited with Helton IMO. I'd rather have an athletic QB with wheels but it simply isn't gonna happen. We will be easy to read and somewhat predictable because of these limitations. I've got a lot of respect for the defensive coordinators in this league and Fulmer hired one of them. He should be the 1st to acknowledge this.
 
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volfan411 said:
The difference was KC read the blitz quickly and got the ball out to the open receiver before the blitz got to him. JG will continue to get blitzed until he can show that he can read the defense and get the ball out.
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After KC had thrown good we went back to run on 1st and 2nd and throw on 3rd wish they would have let him keep throwing. And are first drive of the game I couldn't believe what I was seeing pass pass it's almost like they tried to open it up and I would really like to know who would do better of the 2 QB's
 
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tbones0711 said:
You say this at 5:48 on Saturday and that's still not confirmed. That's not breaking news it's B/S that you take as fact and worse yet you repeat it as if you know. Buy a mirror and gaze into it because I' not gonna call you what I want to in public.
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Well someone else mentioned it so I didn’t know if it was true or not but we now know he’s probably ok to keep playing. Good grief what a d—khead you are acting like. In the game it sounded like a collarbone injury so I figured it might have gotten fractured or something. Don’t be so hateful for once!
 
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Pruitt even said they did some new things on offense in the second. Saban mentioned it too and said in the second half they switched defenses.

We finally adjusted and KC took advantage. When they adjusted KC was average.
 
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lexkyvol said:
So you anti-JG guys.....PLEASE explain why the offense scored ZERO the entire 2nd half?

i cannot wait to read these excuses.......
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Sure. Doesn't take a genius to realize what happened in the second half.

After the cluster of kickoff return to open the second half Tennessee touched the ball THREE. I repeat THREE times. One of those was early in the third that was a good FIFTY yard drive and ended in a missed field goal. Then Tennessee touched the ball TWO, I repeat TWO more times the REST of the game. Know how many times Tennessee/Chryst threw the ball on those in the last 20 minutes of the game after the missed field goal?? ONCE! Know what else that means? After the missed FG attempt Tennessee was in "lets get the hell out of here" mode. I'll try to stop now to allow all of that to be processed by the JG fanclub members.

Now, did you like the "excuse"? Facts sometimes get in the Guarantano fan boy bias, absurdity, or whatever it should be called.
 
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