Millions of Illegal Aliens From All Over The World Head For U.S. Border

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What Would Grand Do? Would you put the active military on the front lines to repel this invasion?
 
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@n_huffhines So I input “asylum” and my user name and got some hits. Here is one but no link

NorthDallas40 said:
What Ive always questioned is the whole asylum plea. There are only TWO countries who should be able to claim protection by asylum via land immigration. Canada and Mexico. There are international asylum laws and I skimmed thru them a while back. Basically if a refugee (and you have to meet refugee status also) is supposed to claim asylum upon entry of the first country that can offer protection. So explain to me how Hondurans, Guatemalans, Venezuelans, etc... if they arrive by land are able to even claim asylum?!

Plus i believe they are supposed to claim asylum upon entry regardless of immigration status, legal or illegal. Thus, if youve been here two years and get busted by ICE as far as Im concerned youve waived claim to refugee and asylum status!!
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The question you’re asking huff is the same question I asked myself prior to making that post. “What are the US laws governing asylum”. I didn’t do it for a damn forum debate I did it to educate myself.

While no it isn’t in that post above I found a link to a law firm that specialized in immigration and broke down the US code and precedent. I’m going from memory here. But they referenced “law” that stated the adjacent country which is consistent with the UN Treaty and the signature countries to that treaty are bound to its content. That includes us. But it’s up to each signee to codify the treaty into their own law. I linked ours above. Read it if you want. But international law has no jurisdiction in a US court.

But a basic premise to ask is also this. I wanted to mention this earlier but was in a hurry to get to dinner. You don’t have to do a death march 3 thousand miles to claim asylum. All you have to do is go to the US consulate (Julian Assange says hello from the Ecuadorian embassy in the U.K.). So if you have an honest claim of asylum then make your case locally.

That being said, I stated either this thread or the other one on this topic that ALL asylum claims made at the first contact with border agents should be taken seriously. This still has tenets in international law regardless of the adjacent country debate or not. But I do stand by that statement on adjacent country from the reading I did on the topic before. Regardless it should be acknowledged and researched.

But if you’re in the country for 5 years and play the asylum card once you get caught I’ll reiterate what I said earlier in this or the other thread. GTFO
 
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Damn you huff. You’ve actually peaked my interest in reading this crap again.

So here is a link referencing the US-Canada safe third country agreement.

Canada–United States Safe Third Country Agreement - Wikipedia

Under the agreement persons seeking refugee status must make their claim in the first country they arrive in, either the United States or Canada, unless they qualify for an exception. For example, refugee claimants who are citizens of a country other than the United States that arrive from the United States at the Canada–United States land border can only pursue their refugee claims in Canada if they meet an exception under the Safe Third Country Agreement.
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But this is an agreement between the US and Canada. I don’t believe such an agreement exists between the US and Mexico. Regardless Mexico is a signee of the UN Treaty that is the basis for the international law this all traces too.

However another rub in the ointment I remembered is thus. The “asylum” process is moot until the refugee makes an asylum claim. Thus if people transit across Mexico without making such a claim or being forced to do so and then make such a claim upon arrival at the US border then the process is triggered.

However the US code I linked above and the paragraph that huff referenced does come into play with regard to the validation of the claim. And that validation process isn’t codified. But it is the “Safe Third Country” exception to the asylum rule.
 
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Mick said:
I see absolutely no reason not to defend the borders with our military. Do you?
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Using combat troops as police without policing training is a recipe for disaster.

Unless the troops in question are Apes, Shore Patrol or MPs then no.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Using combat troops as police without policing training is a recipe for disaster.

Unless the troops in question are Apes, Shore Patrol or MPs then no.
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Make those thing part of their training. Border security E-1

Station Grand's ass on the border for his deployment?
 
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Mick said:
What do you think of Israel?
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Gaza on fire: At least 130 Palestinians are Shot as protesters storm the Israeli BORDER, Ripping Down Barbed Wire and launching Bomb-laden balloons

Palestinian protesters launched flaming kites and incendiary balloons towards Israel today in a fresh outbreak of violence in Gaza which left 130 people injured.

Thousands of Palestinians massed along the border on Friday in a protest co-ordinated by Hamas which saw some demonstrators breach the perimeter fence.


Hamas praised the turnout as a challenge to Israel, which was mulling a large-scale military response after a rocket was fired from Gaza on Wednesday and destroyed a house in southern Israel.

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Gaza's Health Ministry reported at least 130 Palestinians were wounded by Israeli fire on Friday and six of them were in serious condition.

At least 156 Palestinians have been killed by Israeli fire since the protests began more than six months ago, and an Israeli soldier was killed by a Palestinian sniper.

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A picture taken from the Israeli side of the BORDER with the northeast of the Gaza Strip shows Israeli soldiers taking position during clashes with Palestinian protesters

Protesters launch incendiary balloons towards Israel in latest Gaza violence | Daily Mail Online
 
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n_huffhines said:
I found that article. It's talking about Europe, not the world. The EU is a governing body over Europe and has **** to do with the international laws that we follow. Too complicated for you, I guess?

Wikipedia breaks down what the refugee's obligations are. I'm going off this until you can prove otherwise:

Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees - Wikipedia

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Also coming back now that you’ve frigging got me reading on it again.

Note the US did not ratify the 1951 Convention and Protocol. It only ratified the 1967 protocol which is in fact considerably more lenient with regards to refugee movement.
 
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Occam’s Razor. 4000 all marching to the US for “asylum”? No, they want out of their s***hole country and they think they are owed entry into the US.
I don’t blame them for wanting out though. I would too. Doesn’t mean we ignore our laws for their sake.
 
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Mick said:
Make those thing part of their training. Border security E-1

Station Grand's ass on the border for his deployment?
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Lol just no. Unless of course it causes Grand grief.

Military Police is its own MOS. We aren’t going to train our troops for 11 Bravo and in addition put Military Police training on them.
 
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Vol737 said:
Occam’s Razor. 4000 all marching to the US for “asylum”? No, they want out of their s***hole country and they think they are owed entry into the US.
I don’t blame them for wanting out though. I would too. Doesn’t mean we ignore our laws for their sake.
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Exactly.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Lol just no. Unless of course it causes Grand grief.

Military Police is its own MOS. We aren’t going to train our troops for 11 Bravo and in addition put Military Police training on them.
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So Military is out with you. OK. What do you think we can do with this invasion?
 
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0nelilreb said:
How the hell do people break down border fences and gates and invade another country .. by the way that’s what that’s called when you over power a countries defenses to get into that country by force it’s an INVASION
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Soros promised them $5 each if they make it.
 
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Mick said:
So Military is out with you. OK. What do you think we can do with this invasion?
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No I didn’t say it was out. I said put Military Police on the border.

If there aren’t enough then put infantry under the command of Military Police units on the border.

But I do believe we should actively and aggressively repel them. And we should follow up with sanctions against Mexico for allowing them to transit.
 
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