Recruiting Forum Football Talk [RIP 9.3.2019]

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OGbabyaviVol said:
I agree with AP. We have to have a better option there. I think Jamir is better suited with his athleticism and lack of weight/strength to play RT instead of LG, but that’s just my amateur opinion.
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I think so too. He is getting out physicaled at LG. He might possibly do better against a lighter edge rusher.

But AP has no idea what combinations the staff has tried during practices.
 
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BruinVol said:
Ok if Smith was that bad at LT please move his rear inside

We can finally put the rest that he's good out there
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He wasn’t. He missed offseason and it shows. Rusty as he is we have no one competent to handle LT outside of him.
 
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SpringBokVol said:
Not sure why JS is so confident we can run it on an SEC caliber D line with ease.

I think we might have some success but their D line is going to whip our O line.
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He didn't sound confident on the podcast. I think he may just be pointing out that DT is a weakness for UF this year and we'll try to take advantage.
 
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BruinVol said:
Ok if Smith was that bad at LT please move his rear inside

We can finally put the rest that he's good out there
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The question is how much worse are the other guys.

But yeah, after how badly Smith has struggled so far, I wouldn't mind moving him back inside. Seems like he struggles playing out of a two point stance sometimes. But we know he can line down and move DTs in the run game as an OG.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
The question is how much worse are the other guys.

But yeah, after how badly Smith has struggled so far, I wouldn't mind moving him back inside. Seems like he struggles playing out of a two point stance sometimes. But we know he can line down and move DTs in the run game as an OG.
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Yep it's a give and take. We need at least position to be elite and right now we don't have that
 
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BruinVol said:
So he was or wasn't?

If he wasn't you woudnt need the excuse
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He’s manning his spot fine...I bolded that so you would understand but you typically act confused for the sake of your argument. 😉 It’s not an EXCUSE, it’s the reality of the situation. He isn’t sharp at LT as he wouldn’t be sharp at OG...he’s playing off the rust. The “playing badly” is your new narrative. You let know it all VN experts and the ones paid to pretend they are in recruiting dominate your thinking...that’s on you. Trey was the number one ranked player on ESPN. They never hand that out to interior linemen. They projected him as an elite LT until he committed to UT, then they scrambled to project him as an OG. If he had picked Bama or OSU as projected, they would have held pat. I’ve always stated that your best OL doesn’t have to play LT as long as there is somebody ADEQUATE to man the spot...we don’t have that option. That’s why he took over last season and was playing well. Leave him in place and he’ll excel there...he’s that good. He’s the Bruce Matthews or Larry Allen of our time. They both played OG but could have been All-Pros ANYWHERE on the line. That’s generational talent. So quit your contrived belly-aching and our coaches will play him where he’s NEEDED.
 
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The coaches are still looking for the best options. Smith at LT and RJohnson at C are the best we have at those positions. The others are rotational players because there is relative parity. If they had a definitive 5, they'd play them. Losing Kennedy was a double whammy, and Hall isn't 100%. Some of the guys like JJohnson and Tatum are undersized, but they're playing because we need them-- and will need them even more in SEC play.
 
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BruinVol said:
So he was or wasn't?

If he wasn't you woudnt need the excuse
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I think we have to be cautious of jumping to conclusions based on subjective data generated outside the team. Some of what PFF does as I understand it is straightforward, like number of broken tackles or yards after contact or yards after catch, things like that, but some of what they do is widely disputed because they apparently make assumptions on what a player's assignment was without knowing what the call was. For example if a pass is dropped by a receiver they don't count that as an incomplete pass by the QB. The argument against that is PFF has no way of knowing whether or not the QB threw the ball to the right spot or whether or not the receiver ran the correct route. PFF has become a popular data source for the media but its methodology for grading is in some cases strongly challenged by coaches. I don't think the people doing the grading for PFF are football gurus; they're nerds, not that there's anything wrong with that.

Also, Pruitt has said that Trey didn't miss any work on strength and conditioning due to his medical issue but he was prevented from contact in practice until around August 20th. It would be intersting to compare our staff's grades on our players to some of the grades put out by PFF but I don't think Pruitt is going to humor us on that point.
 
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butchna said:
He’s manning his spot fine...I bolded that so you would understand but you typically act confused for the sake of your argument. 😉 It’s not an EXCUSE, it’s the reality of the situation. .
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Ok so he wasn't good and woudnt be inside either in your mind.

Thanks for clearing that up
 
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Nashvegas31 said:
It would be nice if we had some Tackles as I for one prefer him at LG. That will be his NFL position
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What's odd is when Smith went out those few plays against WV, 57 replaced him and I think he played well. It was the scoring drive iirc. I don't think he's played much at all since. Maybe he isn't close to being ready but he certainly isn't talked about much as an option.
 
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ChattaTNVol said:
I think we have to be cautious of jumping to conclusions based on subjective data generated outside the team. Some of what PFF does as I understand it is straightforward, like number of broken tackles or yards after contact or yards after catch, things like that, but some of what they do is widely disputed because they apparently make assumptions on what a player's assignment was without knowing what the call was. For example if a pass is dropped by a receiver they don't count that as an incomplete pass by the QB. The argument against that is PFF has no way of knowing whether or not the QB threw the ball to the right spot or whether or not the receiver ran the correct route. PFF has become a popular data source for the media but its methodology for grading is in some cases strongly challenged by coaches. I don't think the people doing the grading for PFF are football gurus; they're nerds, not that there's anything wrong with that.

Also, Pruitt has said that Trey didn't miss any work on strength and conditioning due to his medical issue but he was prevented from contact in practice until around August 20th. It would be intersting to compare our staff's grades on our players to some of the grades put out by PFF but I don't think Pruitt is going to humor us on that point.
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PFF grades definitely shouldn’t be taken as the gold standard.


But anybody who’s watched rewatched our games with an eye on the OL can see that Smith has been struggling to start out the season. And he was clearly a better OG than OT as a freshman as well.

Maybe he just needs more time to get things down, but his struggles thus far are a pretty big question mark and concern thus far. Especially given the talent level of the previous two opponents.
 
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ChattaTNVol said:
I think we have to be cautious of jumping to conclusions based on subjective data generated outside the team. Some of what PFF does as I understand it is straightforward, like number of broken tackles or yards after contact or yards after catch, things like that, but some of what they do is widely disputed because they apparently make assumptions on what a player's assignment was without knowing what the call was. For example if a pass is dropped by a receiver they don't count that as an incomplete pass by the QB. The argument against that is PFF has no way of knowing whether or not the QB threw the ball to the right spot or whether or not the receiver ran the correct route. PFF has become a popular data source for the media but its methodology for grading is in some cases strongly challenged by coaches. I don't think the people doing the grading for PFF are football gurus; they're nerds, not that there's anything wrong with that.

Also, Pruitt has said that Trey didn't miss any work on strength and conditioning due to his medical issue but he was prevented from contact in practice until around August 20th. It would be intersting to compare our staff's grades on our players to some of the grades put out by PFF but I don't think Pruitt is going to humor us on that point.
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I will add something to this. PFF uses grad assistants and a lot of college kids to break down their film for them. They have checks and balances, but it’s not 100% accurate.
 
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BruinVol said:
What's odd is when Smith went out those few plays against WV, 57 replaced him and I think he played well. It was the scoring drive iirc. I don't think he's played much at all since. Maybe he isn't close to being ready but he certainly isn't talked about much as an option.
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Definitely seems odd that they haven’t given guys like Niehaus, Tatum, or maybe even Jamir more of a look at OT the past two weeks. IMO Locklear has been one of our better OGs when he’s in as well.

I guess the coaches maybe think the 5 we’ve mostly stuck with the past few weeks just need more reps to get to where they need to be.


As things stand now, though, the OL looks like it may be the biggest obstacle to bowl eligibility.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
PFF grades definitely shouldn’t be taken as the gold standard.


But anybody who’s watched rewatched our games with an eye on the OL can see that Smith has been struggling to start out the season. And he was clearly a better OG than OT as a freshman as well.

Maybe he just needs more time to get things down, but his struggles thus far are a pretty big question mark and concern thus far. Especially given the talent level of the previous two opponents.
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The key point behind my opinion of wanting him inside is I don't think he was a good LT last year. I get that he might be rusty but last year is the key for me. I just don't thinks he's good out there and if we are going to struggle there we might as well be elite inside. Right now we aren't good at either imo
 
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Volnukem said:
I will add something to this. PFF uses grad assistants and a lot of college kids to break down their film for them. They have checks and balances, but it’s not 100% accurate.
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I agree they aren't the end all be all but their Evals have to taken more seriously than ours as fans
 
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BruinVol said:
The key point behind my opinion of wanting him inside is I don't think he was a good LT last year. I get that he might be rusty but that's the key for me. I just don't thinks he's good out there and if we are going to struggle there we might as well be elite inside. Right now we aren't good at either imo
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I’m kind of coming around to this way of thinking as well. I figured he’d be able to make a leap at OT this year (and maybe he will), but from what I’ve rewatched of our games so far, it seems like he does a much better job getting a push from a 3 point stance than from the 2 point stance our OTs often use. Seems like he has some trouble with speed rushers as well.

He did a good job of lining down and blowing guys off the LOS at OG last year. Haven’t really seen that from him as an LT yet.
 
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I’m more troubled with our line now than I was first game after watching that guys clips on Twitter. Gonna be a tall task to even just put a hat on Florida’s DEs.
 
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