Recruiting Forum Football Talk [RIP 9.3.2019]

[HoleInTheRoof]

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[Volgrad98]

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[ChattaTNVol]

How committed are we to running the football?

Georgia was very run heavy against SC in Columbia as was Kentucky against Florida in the swamp.

Interesting matchups from a run/pass balance view this weekend with MSU at KY and GA at MO. A&M may have to go to the pass more at Bama and AU at home will face about the only thing that so far looks decent with AR in their run defense.

OM only had 22 passes against Bama? Can you say - we're trying to run out the clock? OM strategy - Victory Surrender formation.

So far this year Florida hasn't had a lot of success with their run defense outside of CSU but CSU doesn't have much of a run offense, gaining 116 yds on 25 carries vs Hawaii, 103 yds against Colorado on 39 carries, 40 yds on 23 carries against Arkansas, and 70 yds on 42 carries against the gators. I won't be surprised if the running game decides the outcome of the game this week and if we stay healthy through Saturday night this could be our edge. jmo.

 

[rekinhavoc]

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[nicksjuzunk]

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[BruinVol]

Bruin, we were watching pro ball and saw the tie. I thought one of you goofballs would know the answer. it wouldn't happen, but what if a team tied every team they played? you tie the very best team, but you tie the worst too, and everyone in between. do you make the playoffs, are you just a loser, etc?

Sorry your OP mentioned being ranked which made me think you were talking about college where there are no ties. My guess is 0-0-16 would go to the playoffs over a 7-9 team.

 

[BleedorangeinGA]

Pruitt is that guy that will have these guys mentally ready. If the Vols lose Saturday it wont be because they are in our guys head

He hasn’t had them mentally ready for the first three games to start. What changes next week?

 

[Outofmyvolcanmind]

He hasn’t had them mentally ready for the first three games to start. What changes next week?

I’ve worked for guys like you before. One part of eight can be off and you’ll say the whole thing sucks. In this situation are OL hasn’t shown up ready and prepared in the first quarter. I would argue the rest of the team has been very prepared in the first quarter.

 

[BruinVol]

I’ve worked for guys like you before. One part of eight can be off and you’ll say the whole thing sucks. In this situation are OL hasn’t shown up ready and prepared in the first quarter. I would argue the rest of the team has been very prepared in the first quarter.

Well isn't that still a problem?

 

[Vfl2407]

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Good storyline. But, needs subtext.

 

[BleedorangeinGA]

I’ve worked for guys like you before. One part of eight can be off and you’ll say the whole thing sucks. In this situation are OL hasn’t shown up ready and prepared in the first quarter. I would argue the rest of the team has been very prepared in the first quarter.

Edit, to only say we have a difference of opinion. Have a great day man.

 

[bignewt]

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[Vols4us]

Except he couldn’t even get into the rotation when given a chance with Pruitt

He spent two seasons being "developed" (cough, cough) to be a receiver and returner. Sometimes you cannot reclaim what has been lost.

 

[VolunteerHillbilly]

Excellent question! @VolunteerHillbilly...wanna field this one?

Figured he'd be more attractive to recruits. I'm not surprised that UCLA stinks but I am surprised that his staff isn't assembling a top class yet. As far as going for the big names, there are only two schools that pulled it off last year. So far, it's worked for A&M and it hasn't worked for UCLA. 50/50 is still better odds than you get by hiring a coordinator who has never been a hfc. I think a lot of people are going to be back down to earth Sunday morning at which time I'll be ready to resume some reasonable discussions about the state of the program and efficacy of the staff.

 

[millst987]

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I’m with you man, I hate em so much

 

[T Dog]

Bruin, we were watching pro ball and saw the tie. I thought one of you goofballs would know the answer. it wouldn't happen, but what if a team tied every team they played? you tie the very best team, but you tie the worst too, and everyone in between. do you make the playoffs, are you just a loser, etc?

Purgatory?

 

[WinginFlorida]

Bruin, we were watching pro ball and saw the tie. I thought one of you goofballs would know the answer. it wouldn't happen, but what if a team tied every team they played? you tie the very best team, but you tie the worst too, and everyone in between. do you make the playoffs, are you just a loser, etc?

I'll take a tie tonight. Will win my weekly pool outright.

 

[HankHill]

@HankHill,

I have 2 questions about JG that I was wondering if you could shed any light on.

1) Pruitt has talked about the QB having the responsibility of getting us in the right play depending on how the defense aligns after we break huddle. How are we doing on that? I understand it is a learning process. Pruitt also said we were seeing fewer negative yardage plays so I figured this may be part of the reason for that if we're getting better at it. I know JG missed a lot of time in HS and is still a pretty young QB in the SEC. How's he doing managing the offense?

2) Pruitt has pointed out when JG throws to one receiver when another is in a better position to make a play. Are these isolated occurrences or does it happen more often? Is the reason for this potentially JG having some legitimate concerns about his protection holding up and not allowing himself time to see the full field (i.e. not wanting to take a sack)? I'm figuring the more experience he gets the more the game will slow down for him. How do you think he's doing reading his progressions? Does he even have that many progressions? Have you seen the playbook?

Additional questions:

3) While we’ve used these first three games to gain some experience for a lot of guys and to try to build some depth can we expect to see a more limited number of participants in games going forward as long as the game remains competitive? (i.e., the real season starts now/best players on the field?)

4) Is Chance Hall physically ready to play a full game?

5) I’ve noticed we don’t consistently set the edge and thus lose contain resulting in explosive running plays. I think this is a discipline issue. Do you think this will get corrected?

6) Do you think the staff will allow JG to try to stretch the field against elite SEC defenses?

7) Do you think the guys in our secondary are ready to cover SEC caliber receivers like those listed below?

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Thanks in advance. I'll hang up and listen.

Im not on my phone so forvgive me if i missed anything but.

I don’t know how much (if any) freedom our QBs have at the line of scrimmage. I wouldn’t think they have much at all so as far as checks goes and getting into the right call I’m not sure that fallas back on JG.

I also don’t think our offense is one where he needs to go through multiple progressions. I said before the year that this offense is going to be really simple from a QB prospective. Most of our plays have one or two options with a dump off. So i don’t think ThAts big issue. The WV game was a weird one for Passing purposes. We were in a weird spot where we needed to score and try and push the ball but where they were playing double or triple high soft shell the whole game it would’ve been dumb to try and force balls down field. JG/Helton did exactly what you’re supposed to do against that.

I was glad to see him take more shots downfield against utep, the ball to Palmer was imo the best throw of his career so far. But don’t expect our offense to be bombs away at any point. They want to be methodical and sustain drives for the most park.

I think for the most part outside of OL all our “best guys” have been playing. Some of the rotations have been heavy but defense has mainly been the same all year when you look at snap counts. I think someone either Sham/Jackson is going to end up taking the star spot away from Abernathy. Maybe TK he is supposed to be back this week.

I don’t think Chance is 100% no. Don’t know if he will be this year.

I actually really like our secondary. Yes that are young but the three babies are some of the most naturally athletic people we’ve had back there in a long time. I think If our pass rush would improve, they would be a bright spot.

 

[VolunteerHillbilly]

End of the day, the SEC is a LOS conference. I think WVa already showed us what we've got in the trenches but some need more convincing, which they're about to get over the next few games. If we can't push an SEC DL, we have no chance.

 

[butchna]

You apparently forgot Trey is only a sophomore. I like both Morris and Wright but don't see either playing over Trey.

Health permitted he has one more season.

 

[Kingston Vol]

End of the day, the SEC is a LOS conference. I think WVa already showed us what we've got in the trenches but some need more convincing, which they're about to get over the next few games. If we can't push an SEC DL, we have no chance.

Bingo. If we can’t stop a pass rush up the middle we have no chance.

 

[butchna]

Figured he'd be more attractive to recruits. I'm not surprised that UCLA stinks but I am surprised that his staff isn't assembling a top class yet. As far as going for the big names, there are only two schools that pulled it off last year. So far, it's worked for A&M and it hasn't worked for UCLA. 50/50 is still better odds than you get by hiring a coordinator who has never been a hfc. I think a lot of people are going to be back down to earth Sunday morning at which time I'll be ready to resume some reasonable discussions about the state of the program and efficacy of the staff.

Hopefully your team loses so you can rail on your narrative more efficiently?

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

You apparently forgot Trey is only a sophomore. I like both Morris and Wright but don't see either playing over Trey.

Would be nice if OT play is good enough next year for Trey to move back inside. He’s our best OT right now, but his upside is clearly higher at OG.

 

[TNVols91]

Figured he'd be more attractive to recruits. I'm not surprised that UCLA stinks but I am surprised that his staff isn't assembling a top class yet. As far as going for the big names, there are only two schools that pulled it off last year. So far, it's worked for A&M and it hasn't worked for UCLA. 50/50 is still better odds than you get by hiring a coordinator who has never been a hfc. I think a lot of people are going to be back down to earth Sunday morning at which time I'll be ready to resume some reasonable discussions about the state of the program and efficacy of the staff.

Summary...
We suck our coach sucks and I cant wait till we lose so I can say I told you so.

Edit: swansoned by butchna

 

[omghulkhands]

Would be nice if OT play is good enough next year for Trey to move back inside. He’s our best OT right now, but his upside is clearly higher at OG.

Our interior run blocking is terrible.

I assume Hall might replace Richmond, but I wouldn’t mind seeing Hall replace Smith at OT and move Smith back inside right now.