Recruiting Forum Football Talk [RIP 9.3.2019]

[LA Vol]

The odds defy so many of our 4* and 5* players being overrated. Some were, but some haven't been developed and others just aren't going to put in the effort to reach their potential. I think the coaches will re-evaluate some of these guys and we'll see them being weeded out. The coaches waited a little too long to set positions on the OL and they left the young DBs exposed one-on-one against a hot QB-WR, with an anemic pass rush. So they took their licks.

One of the biggest takeaways is that some of the older players that the team needed to step up and lead by example aren't going to do that. They are what they are-- and that's not good enough and not motivated enough to get better. And we'll have to recruit out of that.

 

[jordan4vols]

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

Some good points there, I based that statement assuming we show improvement over the course of this season, hopefully resulting in at least 6 wins this year.

I’m expecting to see improvement throughout the year from our defense, but a lot of that front 7 won’t be back next year. Basically all of the DL in our main rotation right now except for Gooden will be gone. And most of our LBs will be eligible to jump to the NFL, so it wouldn’t be a big surprise to see 1-2 if those guys declare even if they don’t get a great draft grade.

So I’m not sure how much carryover this uear’s Improvement for the front 7 will have next year.

 

[HankHill]

 

[butchna]

So what we are is one game? Why’s I stop here first for my sports information.

 

[Rishvol]

Because they were all freshman and Worley was better at that point

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

Listening to coach Pruitt it is encouraging that a lot of the things that looked so bad watching the game are actually fixable. Some linemen blocked the wrong guy or moved the wrong way, the RB missed the right gap, corner didn't turn his head around (Butch habit), and even my biggest offensive concern: Helton not throwing the ball down the field can be adjusted. Defensively though, we are in trouble. I just don't see how we fix the pass rush problem because it isn't a mistake here or a mistake there. We are slow on defense. The only way to fix our defense is through recruiting. Maybe JJ can help our pass rush and I believe the secondary will get better as the young guys get more experience. But we are in trouble on the DL and at OLB. We don't have a pass rush.

 

[rekinhavoc]

The odds defy so many of our 4* and 5* players being overrated. Some were, but some haven't been developed and others just aren't going to put in the effort to reach their potential. I think the coaches will re-evaluate some of these guys and we'll see them being weeded out. The coaches waited a little too long to set positions on the OL and they left the young DBs exposed one-on-one against a hot QB-WR, with an anemic pass rush. So they took their licks.

One of the biggest takeaways is that some of the older players that the team needed to step up and lead by example aren't going to do that. They are what they are-- and that's not good enough and not motivated enough to get better. And we'll have to recruit out of that.

I'm guessing the s&c program lost two years of development under Butch. James Franklin benefited from Bobby Johnson redshirting everybody. Giving his players a much needed year to mature. I can't believe anyone with aspirations of making to the NFL would skip workouts just because they could get away with it.

 

[volsagain]

The odds defy so many of our 4* and 5* players being overrated. Some were, but some haven't been developed and others just aren't going to put in the effort to reach their potential. I think the coaches will re-evaluate some of these guys and we'll see them being weeded out. The coaches waited a little too long to set positions on the OL and they left the young DBs exposed one-on-one against a hot QB-WR, with an anemic pass rush. So they took their licks.

One of the biggest takeaways is that some of the older players that the team needed to step up and lead by example aren't going to do that. They are what they are-- and that's not good enough and not motivated enough to get better. And we'll have to recruit out of that.

Very good I agree. There will be a lot of the players who played Saturday not see the field later in the year.

 

[Nashvegas31]

Everyone has and is entitled to his/her own opinion; it doesn’t make us right.

I listened to Jeremy on the radio after the game, I watched his postgame press conference, and I watched his TV show yesterday. If you don’t believe Jeremy Pruitt 100% believes we should have won the game Saturday, well I’m sorry, you’re just plain wrong. Jmo.

After rewatching don't blame him. Score not reflective of the game. It was still in reach until 5 to 6 minute mark when we didn't convert 4th and goal. Then we went in tank.

Score should have been 10-7 at halftime but refs didn't call the crackback block. If Abernathy could tackle who knows if West VA even gets that TD. Either way I'll give them that TD still and just say 3 less pts.

Buchanon doesn't get the cover 2 call on RB wheel route which is a TD instead of a FG. If he gets the call he is in position to where that throw isn't made. So let's say 4 less pts plus the 3 in firs time half = 7pts.

Puts you at 33-14 again. We missed 2 scoring chances in 4th qtr. overthrow screen pass that had 6 or at minimum huge play into redzone written all over it. Blocks were in place out front. Also after Theo forced fumble we get stopped at 2 td line. Not saying we win but get those plays and you would have had a tight game at end.

 

[butchna]

Where did I say I was ready to fire Pruitt? I simply pointed out that CJP has no head coaching experience and it's tough to get that at school like TN. When you hire unproven coaches the risk of failure is greater. I can't back this up with statistics, maybe Chatt can help us out here but I'd say based on statistics alone, he's more likely to fail than be successful. All I've done is point out that because of his lack of head coaching experience we don't know what to expect.

You think Saturday’s outcome was a result of him “not being ready”? Cuz that’s the words that were used. After some of the game plans we’ve seen fizzle over the last few seasons, that’s what you got out of what you saw. Take a nap...I’ll let you know when to wake up.

 

[jordan4vols]

Crazy story! Great read!

 

[butchna]

Because they were all freshman and Worley was better at that point

Simple children.

 

[rekinhavoc]

Over/Under hours of sleep Pruitt and Staff have between Saturday and Today.
4 tops imo.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

I had doubts the day he was hired. I had doubts the day Lane was hired. I had doubts the day Dooley was hired. I had doubts the day Butch was hired. That doesn't mean i wasn't cheering for their success. Thst doesn't mean I was confident they'd fail.

My biggest take from Saturday was how bad this team is and how far we had to go. I thought we had the pieces to be a fairly decent football team. It was a reality check as to how big of a project this is. It was also a reality check as to how inexperienced coach Pruitt it is. He's never deat with the type of adversity he's having to deal with, at least on this scale. He's always just put in another five star stud to replace a five star stud that's not performing. If he had a slightly weak position group, he could diguise it by utilizing other position groups. This is truly uncharted waters for him.

I've said this multiple times on here, the UT administration doesn't care about fielding a winning football team. All they care about is the bottom line. They are the most profitable program in the SEC bringing in revenue that tops off as neck and neck with every program in the SEC while spending much less, 1/2 of what Bama does. They take advantage of the most loyal fan base in the country. They know they can keep throwing anyone out there and fans will keep throwing their maid all thatoney at it.

When you hire a head coach you gamble whether they'll be successful. The lower experience level of the hire the less chance of success. The UT administration thinks gambling on an up-and-comer is better than spending more money on an established coach.

Having said all that, I like this coach better than the previous three. The odds are stacked against him and he has a monumental task ahead of him. I am 100% behind him. But, there's not a poster n this board (at least intelligent one) that would bet their life house that CJP will get us back to where we want to be.

Seeing Harbaugh and Herman etc. etc. struggle like they are reinforces the thought in my mind that all coaching hires are gambles, snd when you get a guy that can teach and recruit...you better keep him. It took Majors a long tine by todays standards to rebuild UT from the ashes of the 70s. Staying on the coaching merry-go-round is a ticket to oblivion. Pruitt can accomplish what Majors did..I absolutely believe that. He may not be able to accomplish what Phil did also, but I have a suspicion that he can get that done too given time.

I thought the Admin with Phil as AD is putting a lot more money back into the program now? I have read lots of accounts on that point. The biggest question I have about the admin, and it does worry me, is if we do get good-great results from Jeremy Pruitt, or any coach for that matter...are they going to pay what it takes to keep him? That would piss me off...to finally have a good coach and lose him because of peeny pinching would be the nail.

 

[InVOLuntary]

You think Saturday’s outcome was a result of him “not being ready”? Cuz that’s the words that were used. After some of the game plans we’ve seen fizzle over the last few seasons, that’s what you got out of what you saw. Take a nap...I’ll let you know when to wake up.

I saw a few rookie coaching mistakes. I expected them before the game, I expect them in future games. You're the one sleeping because you're dreaming if you don't think they'll be growing pains with this staff. He's never been a head coach at any college. He's never had to deal with this level of talent at any of his stops. He's literally 10 years removed from high school. He's got a lot of learning to do. I see the potential in him though.

I love you, Butchna. You look through lenses that don't allow you to see any negative. I want you as the captain of my ship. You would be the last one to jump when the the ship disappears below the water.

 

[Nashvegas31]

Over/Under hours of sleep Pruitt and Staff have between Saturday and Today.
4 tops imo.

Either they filmed the coaches show as soon as he got off bus or Pruitt never left his office because he had same clothes on and looked like he hadn't slept in awhile lol

 

[volsagain]

Seeing Harbaugh and Herman etc. etc. struggle like they are reinforces the thought in my mind that all coaching hires are gambles, snd when you get a guy that can teach and recruit...you better keep him. It took Majors a long tine by todays standards to rebuild UT from the ashes of the 70s. Staying on the coaching merry-go-round is a ticket to oblivion. Pruitt can accomplish what Majors did..I absolutely believe that. He may not be able to accomplish what Phil did also, but I have a suspicion that he can get that done too given time.

I thought the Admin with Phil as AD is putting a lot more money back into the program now? I have read lots of accounts on that point. The biggest question I have about the admin, and it does worry me, is if we do get good-great results from Jeremy Pruitt, or any coach for that matter...are they going to pay what it takes to keep him? That would piss me off...to finally have a good coach and lose him because of peeny pinching would be the nail.

Couldn't agree more.

 

[Kingston Vol]

The odds defy so many of our 4* and 5* players being overrated. Some were, but some haven't been developed and others just aren't going to put in the effort to reach their potential. I think the coaches will re-evaluate some of these guys and we'll see them being weeded out. The coaches waited a little too long to set positions on the OL and they left the young DBs exposed one-on-one against a hot QB-WR, with an anemic pass rush. So they took their licks.

One of the biggest takeaways is that some of the older players that the team needed to step up and lead by example aren't going to do that. They are what they are-- and that's not good enough and not motivated enough to get better. And we'll have to recruit out of that.

Unfortunately I think if you have 4 years to do something, and you’ve done it wrong for 50-75% of that tenure, it doesn’t all of a sudden click on for most guys. They’ve been wasted. Others were just bad evaluations.

Pruitt made the comment on his coaching show about a percentage of the roster not being “bought in” and they very likely never will be. His actual words. So he has identified a group of guys and we’ll see what he does with them.

Couple all this with a comment Brent Hubbs made a couple of weeks ago on 990. He said something to the effect of Jeremy Pruitt being stunned 15-20 players got scholarships to play at UT. He thinks an additional 1/4th of the roster shouldn’t even be here!

 

[InVOLuntary]

Seeing Harbaugh and Herman etc. etc. struggle like they are reinforces the thought in my mind that all coaching hires are gambles, snd when you get a guy that can teach and recruit...you better keep him. It took Majors a long tine by todays standards to rebuild UT from the ashes of the 70s. Staying on the coaching merry-go-round is a ticket to oblivion. Pruitt can accomplish what Majors did..I absolutely believe that. He may not be able to accomplish what Phil did also, but I have a suspicion that he can get that done too given time.

I thought the Admin with Phil as AD is putting a lot more money back into the program now? I have read lots of accounts on that point. The biggest question I have about the admin, and it does worry me, is if we do get good-great results from Jeremy Pruitt, or any coach for that matter...are they going to pay what it takes to keep him? That would piss me off...to finally have a good coach and lose him because of peeny pinching would be the nail.

I said that all hires involved risk. Typically I believe the risk goes up as the experience level of the coach goes down. Doesn't mean CJP is destined to fail. We have been on the coaching merry-go-round. We've made high risk hires since coach Fulmer was fired.

I think they are investing some back. We have a long way to go to match our competitors.

We still have dysfunction in the administration. Hiring coach Fulmer didn't solve that. The Haslams are too powerful to just go away.

 

[rekinhavoc]

Unfortunately I think if you have 4 years to do something, and you’ve done it wrong for 50-75% of that tenure, it doesn’t all of a sudden click on for most guys. They’ve been wasted. Others were just bad evaluations.

Pruitt made the comment on his coaching show about a percentage of the roster not being “bought in” and they very likely never will be. His actual words. So he has identified a group of guys and we’ll see what he does with them.

Couple all this with a comment Brent Hubbs made a couple of weeks ago on 990. He said something to the effect of Jeremy Pruitt being stunned 15-20 players got scholarships to play at UT. He thinks an additional 1/4th of the roster shouldn’t even be here!

Think he learned anything from Saban about processing?

 

[VolGee4]

Meh. We would not have beaten Oregon or UF that year with any of those. Dobbs then came in halfway through the year. You can be more critical starting Worley the next season. Peterman is in a good spot with the Bills.

 

[OGbabyaviVol]

Not really negative more cynical. We're just back to where when Butch took over. Just really tiring of top to bottom rebuilds.

That was the most fun I've had at UT game in forever.

Yeah, me too! Also, the first half of the season was the funnest we have got to enjoy since probably 2007.

 

[butchna]

I saw a few rookie coaching mistakes. I expected them before the game, I expect them in future games. You're the one sleeping because you're dreaming if you don't think they'll be growing pains with this staff. He's never been a head coach at any college. He's never had to deal with this level of talent at any of his stops. He's literally 10 years removed from high school. He's got a lot of learning to do. I see the potential in him though.

I love you, Butchna. You look through lenses that don't allow you to see any negative. I want you as the captain of my ship. You would be the last one to jump when the the ship disappears below the water.

Where did you see any of that crap that skipped your butt and plopped out of your virtual mouth. “Don’t allow you to see negative”? Get that Ulysses McGill goo goo bloodletting starter kit dramatic martyr bullshizz out of here! FURTHEREST from my point! FACT! There’s never been a single perfectly called game in the history of sports. There’s always one or a hundred that the big guy would like back! Would it have been cool to see some downfield passing? Sure, but these teachers we’ve hired have seen these players attempt them in practice and held back. Out of what you’ve glimpsed as a coaching mess...I saw NO TURNOVERS on our side and at our most most recent peak performance as a team, I personally witnessed an assload down in College Station! That’s a sign of COACHING! West Virginia beat us...without our help!! There’s REALITY and then there’s what you Reality Warriors try to shove down people’s throats! You were a good one...I’m ashamed of you.

 

[JacketVol]

Where did I say I was ready to fire Pruitt? I simply pointed out that CJP has no head coaching experience and it's tough to get that at school like TN. When you hire unproven coaches the risk of failure is greater. I can't back this up with statistics, maybe Chatt can help us out here but I'd say based on statistics alone, he's more likely to fail than be successful. All I've done is point out that because of his lack of head coaching experience we don't know what to expect.

Butch , Kiffin and Dooley had it but Fulmer did not.