Recruiting Forum Football Talk [RIP 9.3.2019]

[LaagerVol]

Cant wait till we stomp mudholes in their chiefs.

Stomp mud holes in their doo doo?

 

[bcmbvol]

Holes in mud are mud holes I suppose

 

[Sleegro]

cliffs?

Honestly there's a lot of good info so would be tough to cliff. Here's a couple of my favorite parts though.

He studied every pass Grier threw that traveled 15 yards past the line and outside the hashes to see what the freshmen corners would be up against and noticed that grier is below average at those type throws from a completion standpoint, 32% (63rd out of 92 qualified qbs in the nation), and throws a lot of picks out there. TD/int ratio on those throws I think was 8 to 6 maybe (85th out of 92 in the nation). So that may ease some of the worry about starting a true freshman or 2 outside in the secondary.

He also looked at their games against teams that were more known for power running than most of the big 12 (VT, Baylor, Iowa St, Kansas State, Texas, OK and Utah) and looked at just per game yardage of runs designed to go between the tackles. It was absurd. Gave up almost 200 yards a game just between the tackles at over 6 yards per carry. Also gave up over 3 yards per carry after contact. (Just a note on this from me not the article, some of those teams aren't what I would consider even good running teams. Texas was pathetic on the ground last year. Their leading rusher was their backup qb that only played 9 games splitting time with their other qb with 381 yards to lead the team. As a team they averaged 3.6 per carry.)

Those were my favorite parts but he also went into a few other topics related to this game.

 

[millst987]

How I’m currently feeling about the game

 

[Sleegro]

I really hope that this sticks(how we use his name) like stank on dog chief.

Yer welcome.

 

[mrMet]

I may have wore orange pants to work today

Our new dress code is sweet

 

[tomq_123]

2 cups of coffee and I’m now taking a chief and reading VolNation. We are going to kick the chief out of WVU. For anyone interested, Jerry Colquitt has a nice WVU film study write up on The Tony Basilio Show. Hard to find but worth the read. Now let’s get this chief started.

 

[Ertel]

Honestly there's a lot of good info so would be tough to cliff. Here's a couple of my favorite parts though.

He studied every pass Grier threw that traveled 15 yards past the line and outside the hashes to see what the freshmen corners would be up against and noticed that grier is below average at those type throws from a completion standpoint, 32% (63rd out of 92 qualified qbs in the nation), and throws a lot of picks out there. TD/int ratio on those throws I think was 8 to 6 maybe (85th out of 92 in the nation). So that may ease some of the worry about starting a true freshman or 2 outside in the secondary.

He also looked at their games against teams that were more known for power running than most of the big 12 (VT, Baylor, Iowa St, Kansas State, Texas, OK and Utah) and looked at just per game yardage of runs designed to go between the tackles. It was absurd. Gave up almost 200 yards a game just between the tackles at over 6 yards per carry. Also gave up over 3 yards per carry after contact. (Just a note on this from me not the article, some of those teams aren't what I would consider even good running teams. Texas was pathetic on the ground last year. Their leading rusher was their backup qb that only played 9 games splitting time with their other qb with 381 yards to lead the team. As a team they averaged 3.6 per carry.)

Those were my favorite parts but he also went into a few other topics related to this game.

I mean, the Kansas RB who got 291 vs them only had 372 rushing yards in his other 10 games combined lol And if you watch film from that game hes not particularly athletic or fast. He's 5'9 and 210 pounds and is a one cut back similar to Chandler and Jordan but not nearly as fast or strong. They also had success with him in several different formations (I apologize i dont know the proper names for them so i'll just describe them) but most of his damage came right up the gut whether it was a single back 1 TE set or no TE with an H-back or even no TE with 2 H-backs. I think if we run 3 wide with an H-back and just go right at them we are going to gash them. If our guys can get to the second level and make one cut theyre gonna dominate. The lbs, safeties and corners look soft and slow.

Watch the 1st play, 20 second, 50 second, 3:00 and 3:20 plays in particular. These guys are gonna HATE tryna tackle Jennings, DWA, Jordan, Chandler and Callaway.

 

[Sleegro]

I mean, the Kansas RB who got 291 vs them only had 372 rushing yards in his other 10 games combined lol And if you watch film from that game hes not particularly athletic or fast. He's 5'9 and 210 pounds and is a one cut back similar to Chandler and Jordan but not nearly as fast or strong. They also had success with him in several different formations (I apologize i dont know the proper names for them so i'll just describe them) but most of his damage came right up the gut whether it was a single back 1 TE set or no TE with an H-back or even no TE with 2 H-backs. I think if we run 3 wide with an H-back and just go right at them we are going to gash them. If our guys can get to the second level and make one cut theyre gonna dominate. The lbs, safeties and corners look soft and slow.

Watch the 1st play, 20 second, 50 second, 3:00 and 3:20 plays in particular. These guys are gonna HATE tryna tackle Jennings, DWA, Jordan, Chandler and Callaway.

Exactly. They couldn't stop 2 of the worst rushing teams from running.

 

[triadvolfan]

another good point, but agian, does personnel or match ups dictate that play(in your example, it does)? or are we just trying to trick the defense with our "system"....

Totally agree. Jones ran it because that was his system and it cost us games when Dobbs wasn't the QB. Coaches can actually get away with being that stubborn but they have to recruit to their system. If you're going to run your offense that way no matter what, you should recruit exclusively mobile QBs.

 

[LA Vol]

It'll be interesting to see what Helton does tomorrow. I'm guessing he would like to be more conservative the first game and let the QBs build some confidence with a short passing and running game. Or if he's feeling lucky or daring, he could test WVU's inexperienced corners right away and put them on notice. Don't really see Pruitt as much of a riverboat gambler, but ya never know.

 

[butchna]

Yep, reminds me of all the Braves fans in the '90s and once again, this year

Weathered too much during the 80’s and the past few years to take a bandwagon fan shot.

 

[Sleegro]

Weathered too much during the 80’s and the past few years to take a bandwagon fan shot.

Haha right. I was going to braves games in the 80s when they were losing 100 games a year. You could be on the first base side and still go pick up foul balls on the 3rd base side. Haha

 

[Kingston Vol]

It'll be interesting to see what Helton does tomorrow. I'm guessing he would like to be more conservative the first game and let the QBs build some confidence with a short passing and running game. Or if he's feeling lucky or daring, he could test WVU's inexperienced corners right away and put them on notice. Don't really see Pruitt as much of a riverboat gambler, but ya never know.

Just seems to me we’re going to come out a little more pass-happy than is expected. A lot of bubble screens to make their CB’s tackle them gash them up the middle when they’re tired.

 

[Glitch]

cliffs?

 

[Glitch]

Grier completed just 28 of 87 of his throws longer than 15 yards outside the hashmarks last season. That completion percentage (32 percent) ranked 63rd nationally among the 92 FBS quarterbacks who had at least 50 such attempts.

Grier threw eight touchdowns to six interceptions on those 87 attempts. That interception total ranked 85th among those 92 quarterbacks on such attempts.

His 1,019 yards on those attempts and his 11.7 yards per attempt were both in the top 30, but consider those numbers a statistical Xanax for Tennessee fans worried that their green true freshmen in the secondary are walking into a furnace in Charlotte on Saturday.

Via David Ubben

Nice analysis! Won't stop the hand wringing eyeores but still.... nice.

 

[T Dog]

I hope he goes somewhere where he gets to play.

That was a big group of VFLs. Got me wondering just how many do we have in the NFL right now. And what team has the most right now. I don't keep up with NFL like college so please help my list out.
Alvin Kamara -Saints
Derek Barnett-Eagles
Trevor Daniels-Texans
Malik Jackson-Jaguars

 

[Nashvegas31]

By mid year, or less, it’s going to be Bryce and Alontae, two freshman starting at CB. Future is bright with them. I hope Bryce houses a pick against USCjr. I’m sure he would love that.

If Buchanon isn't much improved from what we have seen in past it may be mid game not mid yr....

 

[Big Gucci Sosa]

 

[butchna]

Haha right. I was going to braves games in the 80s when they were losing 100 games a year. You could be on the first base side and still go pick up foul balls on the 3rd base side. Haha

Desolate...but it was on the Super Station! Remember when Rick Mahler was our ACE?

 

[VEKZY]

I really don’t see what’s so impressive about WVU

 

[Chief Vol 13]

Post Tennessee's 2017 season now

 

[Big Gucci Sosa]

Post Tennessee's 2017 season now

We already know we sucked.

 

[mrMet]

Just seems to me we’re going to come out a little more pass-happy than is expected. A lot of bubble screens to make their CB’s tackle them gash them up the middle when they’re tired.

This would be great. Give JG easy throws early where he can get that confidence going

 

[Big Gucci Sosa]

DWA should be a total mismatch in the passing game