John Brennan

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McDad said:
It's the proper precedent regardless of the justification.
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I don't disagree, they should - but this isn't what happening - it's an inapplicable justification.
 
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Septic said:
I'm glad that your expectations of me are so high, they should be.

But to answer your question, they shouldn't. But to pick and choose based on partisan rifts goes beyond petty.

I do find it fascinating that a b list reality tv star has fallen forward to the point where he can decide that the former director of the CIA should no longer be able to hear classified info. Let that sink in.
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Your hurt feelz are showing.
 
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Septic said:
I'm glad that your expectations of me are so high, they should be.

But to answer your question, they shouldn't. But to pick and choose based on partisan rifts goes beyond petty.

I do find it fascinating that a b list reality tv star has fallen forward to the point where he can decide that the former director of the CIA should no longer be able to hear classified info. Let that sink in.
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Factually ... that’s Mr. President to you 😉
 
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Septic said:
I don't disagree, they should - but this isn't what happening - it's an inapplicable justification.
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No longer serving in an official capacity. No longer holding a security clearance. Don't care why it is revoked.
 
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T-TownVol said:
Your hurt feelz are showing.
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Is this is the best you can do?

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T-TownVol said:
You are taking a beating on this faux outrage there Big Guy.
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LOL, what outrage?

I think it's hilarious that you guys think that this is some earth-shattering or defining moment. My first post alluded to the fact that he's retired so BFD.

You're trying too hard to pigeonhole what you need me to believe to get your zingers in. I get that you desperately want to "show me" but this isn't the time.

Maybe someday.
 
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Septic said:
LOL, what outrage?

I think it's hilarious that you guys think that this is some earth-shattering or defining moment. My first post alluded to the fact that he's retired so BFD.

You're trying too hard to pigeonhole what you need me to believe to get your zingers in. I get that you desperately want to "show me" but this isn't the time.

Maybe someday.
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Don't strain too much.
 
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1972 Grad said:
They keep their clearance so they can be asked for advice by their successors, if necessary. I don't believe that Brennan's advice will be needed any longer.
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I'd prefer to allow conditional/provisional/temporary clearance on a case by case basis.
 
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TN Ribs said:
More pettiness by the infant in the White House. He only sees people through a lens that either support him unconditionally vs. those that are critical of him. It's that black and white - there is no nuance with orange knucklehead. He continues to divide instead of unite. The funny thing is that Brennan will still be critical of him, he doesn't need Intel Briefings to articulate this disaster of an Administration.
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He is employed by NBC.

No media employee should be allowed access to classified information.
 
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1972 Grad said:
They keep their clearance so they can be asked for advice by their successors, if necessary. I don't believe that Brennan's advice will be needed any longer.
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Bingo. For the individuals in question and their relationship to the current admin there isn’t going to be any reachback. That bridge was nuked by their own actions. And if a matter arises that related to something on their watch that they have knowledge of their NDA is still in effect and they still know what they did then. Even after debrief you are not absolved of your responsibility, in fact you are reminded of it.

Clapper, Comey, Brennan, etc... did this to themselves. They just wrongly assumed they were above reproach on their actions from 2016 onward.
 
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0nelilreb said:
They all should lose them just like anyone else that does when they leave their jobs .. #commonsense .
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Then why does Mike Flynn still have his? Nice effort at spin but this is pure pettiness and vindictiveness by Trump. These decisions should be made with the nation's security interests in mind, not out of spite because you can't handle criticism.
 
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TN Ribs said:
Then why does Mike Flynn still have his? Nice effort at spin but this is pure pettiness and vindictiveness by Trump. These decisions should be made with the nation's security interests in mind, not out of spite because you can't handle criticism.
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No spin here dude , try that read back on my post again . I said they ALL should . I don’t care what damn side you are on , if you don’t work for the government any longer you have zero reasons to keep your clearance .
 
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McDad said:
Are you saying that a former staffer with experience on a classified topic isn't required or that other mechanisms exist to peruse Intel and offer insight?
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Removal of your clearance does not absolve you of your responsibility to protect the information you already know. It just prevents new information from being available. Thus there is no limiting reason to go ask somebody details on what they knew before. And regardless if people are doing their jobs this is the very reason classified briefs and summaries are written and archived.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Removal of your clearance does not absolve you of your responsibility to protect the information you already know. It just prevents new information from being available. Thus there is no limiting reason to go ask somebody details on what they knew before. And regardless if people are doing their jobs this is the very reason classified briefs and summaries are written and archived.
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Hmmm. Lemme think about this.
 
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“True conservatism is cautious and prudent. Authoritarianism is rash and radical. American democracy has benefited from true conservatism, but authoritarianism offers potentially serious trouble for any democracy.”
― John W. Dean, Conservatives Without Conscience


“The drift into authoritarianism doesn’t always set off alarm bells. Citizens are often slow to realize that their democracy is being dismantled even as it happens before their eyes.”
― Steven Levitsky, How Democracies Die: What History Reveals About Our Future

Donald Trump, despite his campaign promises, this is not a guy who is going to be willing to send executive power that belongs to the legislative branch back to the legislative branch. I mean, Donald Trump is going to try to amass and consolidate power, given that he's an authoritarian. Evan McMullin

One of the strange things about violent and authoritarian regimes is they don't like the glare of negative publicity. Salman Rushdie
 
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0nelilreb said:
No spin here dude , try that read back on my post again . I said they ALL should . I don’t care what damn side you are on , if you don’t work for the government any longer you have zero reasons to keep your clearance .
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There are actually plenty of good reasons to keep your security clearance. For one, the current Administration is inept and should be relying on the expertise of others. But the President would rather tweet about Omarosa (that's really all you need to know about his mindset).
 
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