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From the Erik Ainge show today:

(Note: Yesterday was all about HS sports. I didn’t really hear anything I thought would be all that related to our upcoming season).

Last night Ainge was on TV saying JG was going to be the starting QB. “I don’t know that,” he said. “No one told me that. I don’t make that decision. That’s just my opinion but we get so wrapped up in here we take it is as fact. I understand why someone would look at all the questions from last year around this team and go ‘they could be great, they could be terrible’. Who knows?”

Joel weighs in by saying that he was on a program with Jimmy Hyams last night and Jimmy said he hasn’t seen anything to make him think KC can take the job away from JG. Ainge reiterates his belief that you can lose a job in shorts but you can’t win a job in shorts. He said he believes that when KC was brought in the staff actually believed he could be the starting QB this year and they would be able to do more with him. Joel said that’s what he thought too but then Guarantano put on 20 pounds of muscle, then Guarantano had a really good spring, Guarantano was the offensive MVP of the Orange & White game, and Keller Chryst didn’t come in until the summer. He says he don’t think it’s a knock on the coaching staff that it’s looking like Guarantano is going to keep his job. He thinks it’s a credit to JG because he thinks JG understood KC was brought in to seriously contend for the starting QB job. JG answered the bell. If JG is named the starting QB against WVU, which at this point, Joel believes he will be, kudos to him because he’s earned it. He doesn’t think KC is a bad QB. He thinks KC can play football in the SEC and he thinks he can be fairly good at it. He thinks all this means that JG has raised his level by what he’s had to do during the offseason to get ready for this.

Ainge weighs in saying Helton has spent a lot of time with Guarantano and he sees Guarantano loves football, wants to get better, is living in the film room, living in the weight room, putting on 20 pounds, is like a sponge learning everything he can. That makes it fun for Helton to coach and teach that guy.

Caller calls in to ask about where Maleik Gray is playing this year. Ainge said he’s a tweener meaning there’s a spot for him they just have to find it because he’s super athletic. He may not be fast enough to play free safety. He’s probably more like a strong safety. Ainge said 90% of his HS highlights he’s playing up around the line of scrimmage, blitzing off the edge. Ainge seemed to suggest that he might be a good nickel if he had more weight. He said he doesn’t foresee the move to offense to be a lasting change. The gist is that Gray is a very talented kid and it make take some time for us to figure out where to best use him. The guys point out that it is probably a good thing for Tennessee that the staff thinks they have enough in the secondary without him, enough to go up against some of the highly skilled receiving corps we will face this year.

Caller asks about running backs. Ainge says he doesn’t think London has looked as good as Chandler so far. Ainge says we have a good backfield but at Tennessee we’re expecting to have a great backfield. That’s our history. Joel says he likes the skill positions on offense at Tennessee.

So there’s a Peyton Cutclism regarding who gets touches that Ainge learned and wants to share. So Ainge is playing offensive coordinator, something he learned in an offseason training drill, from Cut when Peyton would come back. It’s a self-scouting tool. There’s a famous saying, “Think Players, Not plays.” In crucial situations, make sure it’s your best players that are making plays with the football. So first question, who are the top couple running backs? Obviously Chandler. We all know that. Ainge says the 2nd guy is whoever turns out to be the best of the rest. No matter who it is, he says, they’re definitely a tier down from Chandler. Chandler has breakaway speed, he’s tough, and he runs hard. They reminisce about the Kentucky game.

Tight End next. Ainge thinks TE will be by committee. He says Wolf, Pope, and DWA. He says we’ll be in 11-personnel almost all the time and so you’re not going to ask any one of these guys to play 70 snaps a game. He says a lot of people thought Witten was under-utilized while he was here but in distributing touches, you had a 2nd round draft pick running back, Kelly Washington, and Dante Stallworth. So anyway for us this year, Ainge is saying TE is by committee and this is not one of the guys you will game plan for. There’s no one in the TE room that you’re going to make a game plan for and say we have to get him the football. He said DWA maybe has potential to be that kind of guy but he’s definitely not right this minute, not for this year.

Wide Receivers are next as we build our touch list.

They go off on a tangent bemoaning the fact that Alvin Kamara didn’t have a more prominent role on our touch list. That was evidence, they say, of a significant deficiency in our game planning.

They talked about Tyler Byrd and said if you didn’t involve him in the game he was the type of player who would fade into the game. (I think it means he would begin to tune out). They talk about Robert Meachem and if you didn’t get him the ball in the first quarter and he didn’t feel super involved he would kind of be like Tyler Byrd and disappear mentally. Ainge said Meach would get so jacked up before a game he’d be throwing up on the sideline, lot of nerves, lot of anxiety. Ainge said he and Cut would at half time look at what they had done in the first half and come up with a new touch list for the 2nd half. The reason, he said, Meach had to have the ball in the 1st quarter is like taking the lid off for a basketball player or in baseball where a batter takes a strike or two before he starts swinging. He also said, regarding Hardesty that you had to get him some touches if you were ever going to get him “lathered up”.

Now getting touches for specific players has to align with what the defense is doing so you’re not really just arbitrarily dishing out touches. So when the defense gives you an opportunity you have to try to work according to your touch list and that has to do with the QB making his reads and getting the offense into the right play.

Anyway back to our wide receivers, Ainge doesn’t think Brandon Johnson fits that mold where he’s on the touch list but he does think you want him engaged.

So our touch list is Ty Chandler, Jauan Jennings, Marquez Callaway, & TE by committee, in that order.

Jauan obviously needs to get back in football shape but we know he’s a gamer and when the ball is in his hands he can do special things. If he is engaged and happy and playing hard he is as valuable to this football team as anybody out there.

Ainge says he’s watched film of the WVU defense and he’s been to our practices and he says we’re so much bigger, faster, & stronger, it’s not even funny. It’s crazy, he says. Daniel Bituli looks like an NFL linebacker. Darrin Kirkland Jr looks like an NFL linebacker. Shy Tuttle & Kyle Phillips look the part. Ainge thinks Darrell Taylor is about to blow up this year. He said he was serious.

Ainge said he thinks everything is going to come down to how fast the players (linebackers and backs) can learn the schemes that Pruitt wants them to learn. If they can figure it out with all the different ways he’s going to disguise coverage that’s the question. They’ve never been taught like this before so we’re asking a lot from these guys, especially in one offseason. It’s been done before though, he says.

Ainge points out that the 3 specific players he has identified for the touch list is the fewest amount of players he’s ever had. Joel asks what is the average number of players for the touch list?

Ainge is going to use his experience in 2006 as an example. On that team we had a lot of good players, including Arian Foster, Montario Hardesty, Lamarcus Coker (for a while), and Jayson Swain….

Ainge goes off on a tangent talking about Swain having the best hands of any receiver he’s known. He said when the receivers were on the Jugs machine swain would get him to throw the ball to him so it was more real, from 10 yards away as hard as Ainge could throw it so he could get the feel of the ball. Ainge said he did that one time with Dave Hooker and it was like a kidney punch to the guy. He was down on the ground gasping for air.

Back to the 2006 touch list, you’ve got Robert Meachem, a 1st round draft pick, and Bret Smith who was a 3rd down and touchdown catching machine. Tight End in 2006 was by committee so no one on the touch list from that group. So 6 guys on the touch list in 2006 plus the TE committee. .

They go off on tangent because some guy from CBS posts a list of teams with the most rushing yards in the playoff era that still lost the game. The most was Georgia Tech. They rushed for 535 yards in a loss. Kentucky is at #5 on the list having rushed for 443 yards in a loss, and Missouri is #8, losing after rushing for 420 yards. All 3 teams lost to Tennessee, GT in ’17, and Kentucky & Missouri in ’16. Joel says that means we can give up 400 yards rushing and still win. Ainge says we don’t need to make a habit of that. Joel adds we can give up 500 passing yards to Will Grier and still win by 20.

Caller calls in to jump on the 8-4 bandwagon and Ainge points out that if we are 4-0 after Florida the hype train will be immense. Because of all the positive energy, Ainge says if we do get to 4-0, he doesn’t think we lose 3 of the next 4. Joel said he’s said all along if Tennessee beats WVU we automatically become a 9-3 team. The outlook of the season totally changes if Tennessee finds a way to beat the Mountaineers.

Joel thinks the team laid down last year so most normal historical comparisons may not apply. Ainge thinks this team reminds him of his 2006 team a lot. He says we need to see how it shakes out. He used the Cal game of that year when we were expected to get steam rolled as a comparison to us going into the WVU.

Ainge says he thinks Guarantano is going to be such a good player that we are going to want him to be a redshirt senior and not jump to the NFL early. He said while Dobbs is the last QB to beat Florida he believes before JG leaves we’ll be saying Guarantano is the last QB that beat Alabama. He said he thinks we’re going to remember #2 for a really long time and it’s not just because he was a QB here. It’s because he’s going to do something here that keeps his name memorable.
I thoroughly appreciate these summaries and your research. I get to work before 9:00 every morning and rarely get to hear Ainge. Except, now I do, only I don't have to slog through all the commercials, thanks to you. Much appreciated.
 
Just saw the 2001 SEC Championship game coming on and immediately turned the channel. It made me realize that I am still not over that game.
Me too. I woke up early am for some reason. I felt distressed, could not get back to sleep, a rarity for me. Tv was tuned into SEC network with sound down. I finally focused in on the television.

I always felt that game was the beginning of the end. Barrett sallee pointed out that very fact during the secn broadcast. The game was like the devilishly loaded back end of a Faustian bargain. Especially after the jubilant, beyond belief, late season deconstruction of florida and spurrier.

Somehow researching that game this am, felt right. It was an exorcism or sorts, felt totally inline with the purging of Currie butch and co. The hamstringing of Haslam and the triumphant return of Fulmer.

It was my first rewatching of that dark and cursed game. It's hard to explain, but I felt like Richard dreyfuss staring at a mound of mashed potatoes.

"This means something!"
 
I understand people wanting CHW gone; but, damn! Who in their right mind would want to follow who she had to, you know; almost impossible pressure. Unless we can get Dawn Staley, or that dude from Miss St, I'm cool with giving Holly a couple of more yrs under Phil. But, she has to get us to the Final Four in these next couple of yrs. Whatcha think, B?
I am sorry, but she is too far over her head to realize that she should resign for the good of the program. Great assistant coach and recruiter. Not a head coach. I very much appreciate all that she has done for my university, but she is not the right person for the position that she is in.
 
I park across the river and walk y'all. Fo free, right in front of the jfg coffee sign.
Under the bridge near world's fair park. Fo free
I think that the State Street garage downtown is free also on Game Day. You do have to get there early and it's a pretty good hike, but you can stop at Market Square and eat or do whatever before heading to campus.
 
We only averaged 61 plays a game last year. Too many sacks and too many 3 and outs. Throw in far too much rushing success by our opponents and you get games like lsu where we had (iirc) 9 offensive possessions, a ridiculously low number, not helped by Calloways fumbles in the return game.

Yeah, I got the 70 number from Ainge talking on his show. You're right, we were dead last in the SEC last year for average number of plays per game. I looked at USC for 2016 (74.5) and 2017 (73.9). I also looked at Colorado State for 2015 (71.2), 2016 (69.2), and 2017 (75.2). In the SEC the average in 2017 was 67.1 which went from Mississippi State (75.9) down to us (61.0). Alabama was at 67.4 and Georgia was at 65.0.
 
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Some things you can’t see twice. Florida losses are in that list. Bama games... last year I didn’t even watch for the first time in forever.
It’s like plumbers crack. Sure, we all know it’s there, but do I really need to subject myself to seeing that?
I enjoy last year's Florida game in the second half, until we kick the FG to tie it. Then I move along.
 
Yeah, I got the 70 number from Ainge talking on his show. You're right, we were dead last in the SEC last year for average number of plays per game. I looked at USC for 2016 (74.5) and 2017 (73.9). I also looked at Colorado State for 2015 (71.2), 2016 (69.2), and 2017 (75.2). In the SEC the average in 2017 was 67.1 which went from Mississippi State (75.9) down to us (61.0). Alabama was at 67.4 and Georgia was at 65.0.
I think you’ll see us a tick lower this year than in future years. I have a hunch that we will play more ball control offense to get Pruitt’s feet wet and to build confidence in the team by keeping more difficult games within reach.
 
I think that the State Street garage downtown is free also on Game Day. You do have to get there early and it's a pretty good hike, but you can stop at Market Square and eat or do whatever before heading to campus.
They also have a shuttle from market square for like 5 bucks. I miss the water taxi from the other side of the river you could take. That was so cool i only got to do it once though forthe Georgia game in '15 before the guy retired.
 
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Yeah, I got the 70 number from Ainge talking on his show. You're right, we were dead last in the SEC last year for average number of plays per game. I looked at USC for 2016 (74.5) and 2017 (73.9). I also looked at Colorado State for 2015 (71.2), 2016 (69.2), and 2017 (75.2). In the SEC the average in 2017 was 67.1 which went from Mississippi State (75.9) down to us (61.0). Alabama was at 67.4 and Georgia was at 65.0.
But you weren't off base to suggest 70 at all. I didn't mean to give that impression. I expect a more functional offense this year, and a defense that wont force us to try to win games despite giving up 400+ rushing yards. So it's realistic to expect more possessions, more plays and more success. Even if only slightly more.

It was actually a pre-emptive statement because last year we had this same discussion on here and people were offering scenarios and division of touches where an average of 85 per game was to be expected. I fully expected someone to come along and suggest 70 was far too low. A lot of fans don't realize possessions per game across the board has been trending down since the heyday of chip kelly and the up-tempo offenses; basically ever since St. Nick threw that hissy fit saying it was unhealthy for teams to run up-tempo no huddle....
 
Me too. I woke up early am for some reason. I felt distressed, could not get back to sleep, a rarity for me. Tv was tuned into SEC network with sound down. I finally focused in on the television.

I always felt that game was the beginning of the end. Barrett sallee pointed out that very fact during the secn broadcast. The game was like the devilishly loaded back end of a Faustian bargain. Especially after the jubilant, beyond belief, late season deconstruction of florida and spurrier.

Somehow researching that game this am, felt right. It was an exorcism or sorts, felt totally inline with the purging of Currie butch and co. The hamstringing of Haslam and the triumphant return of Fulmer.

It was my first rewatching of that dark and cursed game. It's hard to explain, but I felt like Richard dreyfuss staring at a mound of mashed potatoes.

"This means something!"

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Just wanted to pass some tidbits along. I know a lot of this has been posted by others but just throwing it out there:

JG is way ahead of Chryst, but it doesn’t seem like a decision is close. Seems the coaching staff feels more comfortable with the game management potential from Chryst, but JG may force their hand the other way.

Alontae Taylor is special. Should be a starter for 3+ years. He might’ve also been great at WR but it is telling that Butch might’ve wasted a top level CB at slot receiver.

Pruitt likes the young guys more than the old guys in the secondary. It’ll be interesting to see how he manages the line between experience and talent.

We have 5 RB’s the coaches feel comfortable with. Don’t know if any of them are difference makers (in a more pro style offense) but the group as a whole should do well.

Offensive line is progressing but an injury or two will put us in a danger zone of sorts. We have 6 guys the coaches feel good about. I think Pruitt has said at Alabama they normally have 10-12.

Lastly, the move to a 3-4 may be hastened by the fact that we have many more SEC ready linebackers than SEC defensive linemen. Get your best players on the field as much as possible.
 
I think we gotta start JG and let him play for at least the first half unless he is turning the ball over. It's most beneficial for us if JG is the guy moving forward.
 
Of course Evan will succeed. He's talented with the ball in his hands. I don't know how James kept from killing Butch with how he failed to utilize his son.

There are 3 guys I can think of who I'm seriously disappointed we couldn't see much more of during their time at UT, but injuries and circumstances just didn't allow it.

Chuck Webb--should be obvious why
Cordarrelle Patterson--so much fun to watch with the ball in his hands
Evan Berry--he was electric on kickoffs. It was almost worth it to let the other team score just to watch him.
 
While the quarterback battle may never materialize into what many of us thought it would be, I will say there is more competition than I thought there would be across the board. There's real competition at running back, on the offensive line, at linebacker, and certainly in the secondary.

I'm not saying this team is suddenly more talented than I expected, but it is more competitive with the talent that arrived with the newcomers and with guys on the roster improving over the summer.

The increased competition on the roster is why I think this team will improve throughout the season.

- Hubbs
 
Biggest surprise so far?

That Pruitt actually likes his team. Based on the way the spring ended, Pruitt didn’t hide the fact with how disappointed he was with Tennessee’s effort and competitiveness. He even used the word quit.

Flash forward four months and Pruitt has totally changed his tune. He sees “want-to.” The players have bought into his mentality and practice expectations. The next step is “doing it all the time.”

Tennessee is still a team with tons of holes and limited talent at various positions, but if the culture change can happen much faster than expected, then the Vols could surprise a team (West Virginia perhaps) or two this fall.

- Simonton
 
Do we know if the giant receiver platoon stuff is over with the new staff?

I would assume so. And even Butch finally started cutting back on it and left Malone on the field a lot in his Junior year.

Callaway was underutilized though.
 
Not really interested in Lady Vol talk, well not at all to be honest, but does Fulmer giving HW an extension say much to you guys??


I tend to think it means he is going to be very pro-coach and won't be willing to put much pressure on coaches but wanted to see if others thought the extension was any kind of big picture thing.

This is more about personal loyalty.
Phil and his daughters are close personal friends of Holly.
 
Offensive line is progressing but an injury or two will put us in a danger zone of sorts. We have 6 guys the coaches feel good about. I think Pruitt has said at Alabama they normally have 10-12.

I was hoping there were a couple more than 6. It is highly doubtful that we will need less than 8-9 to make it through the season.
 
I was hoping there were a couple more than 6. It is highly doubtful that we will need less than 8-9 to make it through the season.
No doubt. There are going to be some sketchy moments there but hopefully we don’t see any injuries until some of the young guys are able to get some experience.
 
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No doubt. There are going to be some sketchy moments there but hopefully we don’t see any injuries until some of the young guys are able to get some experience.
New redshirt rule helps a lot. Against the few cupcake games hopefully we can let the freshman play the 2nd half to keep injuries from happening on the OL and other positions for that matter
 
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