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[Big Gucci Sosa]

Which is exactly why this should be taken seriously. I know fans don’t have much power with something like this but we have to make it clear we don’t condone the systemic culture that was building in the athletic department that allowed all of these things to occur.

I know every single person in here, when asked, would say rape is bad. It’s not up for debate. But we have to be forcefully against this idea that it’s OK to turn the other cheek as long as the football team is winning (and the offending players were disciplined). Because that’s exactly what happened in 2014. We (fans) swept it under the rug because we thought Butch Jones was a winner. It’s inexcusible and we all have a small part in it.

I doubt she actually got raped. Consensual then was embarrassed/regretful.

 

[Kingston Vol]

I doubt she actually got raped. Consensual then was embarrassed/regretful.

Okay, thanks for letting me know you’re a ****ing idiot so I know who to block.

 

[Aesius]

Which is exactly why this should be taken seriously. I know fans don’t have much power with something like this but we have to make it clear we don’t condone the systemic culture that was building in the athletic department that allowed all of these things to occur.

I know every single person in here, when asked, would say rape is bad. It’s not up for debate. But we have to be forcefully against this idea that it’s OK to turn the other cheek as long as the football team is winning (and the offending players were disciplined). Because that’s exactly what happened in 2014. We (fans) swept it under the rug because we thought Butch Jones was a winner. It’s inexcusible and we all have a small part in it.

I don't really recall anyone turning the other cheek because the team was winning. At least not to the degree you're suggesting with people excusing rape.

People were and still are skeptical of the story, though.

The deleted text messages are still fishy. We also don't know how dramatically the accuser's story changed from when she told police and when she spoke to doctors/nurses at the hospital.

Let's withhold judgment until the trial concludes.

 

[Big Gucci Sosa]

Okay, thanks for letting me know you’re a ****ing idiot so I know who to block.

Sounds good. :hi:

Last time I checked they haven't been found guilty of rape?

GGNORE

 

[zhangliao04]

wasnt the scuttlebutt that Bowles pushed her to call the cops because he had a thing for her?

Yep. This is what was floating around during the time this was all going down.

I don't know everything, but I can say that this whole situation is a complete mess. All I want to happen is that justice be served rightfully.

 

[drvenner]

I doubt she actually got raped. Consensual then was embarrassed/regretful.

Based on what? If she consents to relations with one person and they bring in a second person and she does not consent, then what is it?

 

[Big Gucci Sosa]

Based on what? If she consents to relations with one person and they bring in a second person and she does not consent, then what is it?

And you know that is what happened?

 

[csprig9]

Okay, thanks for letting me know you’re a ****ing idiot so I know who to block.

Damn Kingston...... innocent until proven guilty in America bud so chill out

This is a bad deal all around I agree but nobody has proven guilty by a jury of peers

 

[RikidyBones]

i don't remember that. but does it matter? either it happened, or she's lying or Drae is lying.

can't imagine why anyone would want to drag something like this out for as long as it's been going on that didn't have something to it.

not saying one way or the other, just trying to understand what would be purpose behind holding on to a story like that, this long, if not true in some way shape or form?

bad situation all the way around.

of course it matters. just because we got this far doesnt mean it is true or false. so far, I would wager he will be found not guilty.

 

[Big Gucci Sosa]

Damn Kingston...... innocent until proven guilty in America bud so chill out

Sad!

 

[RikidyBones]

Yep. This is what was floating around during the time this was all going down.

I don't know everything, but I can say that this whole situation is a complete mess. All I want to happen is that justice be served rightfully.

this.

 

[jakez4ut]

of course it matters. just because we got this far doesnt mean it is true or false. so far, I would wager he will be found not guilty.

i wouldn't speculate one way or the other based on what's been posted here so far.

but that it got this far, and if found not guilty, why stick to the story all this time?

don't get it. just "that's my story and i'm sticking to it"?

guess it will come down to do they believe her and drae or AJ, Curt and MW?

 

[31VFL]

It sounds like everything changed when the accuser’s friend said she wasn’t ok with being in on the act (foursome). She told Williams she would find a girl who was. She actually said in court today that her and Williams both left at that point. Jamie Satterfield, who has covered the trial from the start, said that was a hole in the state’s side.

*This is all from today.

 

[butchna]

i wouldn't speculate one way or the other based on what's been posted here so far.

but that it got this far, and if found not guilty, why stick to the story all this time?

don't get it. just "that's my story and i'm sticking to it"?

guess it will come down to do they believe her and drae or AJ, Curt and MW?

Or the text messages/social media posts? :dunno:

 

[Nashvegas31]

Okay, thanks for letting me know you’re a ****ing idiot so I know who to block.

He isn't wrong. While butch and company may have been wrong with drae handling... been too many things that haven't added up in this case at least regarding AJ and the girl

 

[smokeyz1]

If you haven't read AJ Johnson's accuser's friends cross examination testimony from Today, I will try to summarize:

ALL 4 went into AJs room
AJ and accuser were "getting it on"
M. Williams tried to convince accuser's friend to "get it on"
Accuser encouraged her friend to "get it on" with M. Williams
Accuser's friend wasn't into group sex and left
Accuser's friend told M.Williams she would find another girl for him before she left room
Accuser left the room 15 minutes later (after an apparent 3 way)
Accuser's friend said her Mom bought her a new phone 2 day later and she threw her old phone away.
Accuser's friend had no reason why she didn't back up her contacts/messages/photos from her old phone to her new phone.

Drae Bowles is going through cross examination now.

This looks like it will come down to he said/she said about the 15 minutes. IMO, both the accuser and accuser's friend ditching their old phone will probably decide this in AJ's favor.

 

[jakez4ut]

Or the text messages/social media posts? :dunno:

hadn't seen those, thus, no consideration when i posted this. but yeah, those could be important.....

 

[Big Gucci Sosa]

If you haven't read AJ Johnson's accuser's friends cross examination testimony from Today, I will try to summarize:

ALL 4 went into AJs room
AJ and accuser were "getting it on"
M. Williams tried to convince accuser's friend to "get it on"
Accuser encouraged her friend to "get it on" with M. Williams
Accuser's friend wasn't into group sex and left
Accuser's friend told M.Williams she would find another girl for him before she left room
Accuser left the room 15 minutes later (after an apparent 3 way)
Accuser's friend said her Mom bought her a new phone 2 day later and she threw her old phone away.
Accuser's friend had no reason why she didn't back up her contacts/messages/photos from her old phone to her new phone.

Drae Bowles is going through cross examination now.

This looks like it will come down to he said/she said about the 15 minutes. IMO, both the accuser and accuser's friend ditching their old phone will probably decide this in AJ's favor.

But KV already tried and judged them!

 

[Chuckie]

Which is exactly why this should be taken seriously. I know fans don’t have much power with something like this but we have to make it clear we don’t condone the systemic culture that was building in the athletic department that allowed all of these things to occur.

I know every single person in here, when asked, would say rape is bad. It’s not up for debate. But we have to be forcefully against this idea that it’s OK to turn the other cheek as long as the football team is winning (and the offending players were disciplined). Because that’s exactly what happened in 2014. We (fans) swept it under the rug because we thought Butch Jones was a winner. It’s inexcusible and we all have a small part in it.

Of the ridiculous things that are posted here, that is way up there on the list.

 

[OGbabyaviVol]

Only rumor I heard was Moustakas from KC but also that philly was after him. Nothing about pitching when that is what we really need. Both a starter and bullpen help.

Need pitching help more than anything.

 

[Freak]

We’re being talked about on finebaum.

Finebaum message board show, VolNation?

 

[Rishvol]

We’re being talked about on finebaum.

Finebaum message board show, VolNation?

We gonna make momma proud

 

[85SugarVol]

I want to see the text messages from the 2 phones. The accuser’s phone, and the accuser’s friend’s phone.

The 2 phones that disappeared not long after the alleged encounter.

 

[BruinVol]

I want to see the text messages from the 2 phones. The accuser’s phone, and the accuser’s friend’s phone.

The 2 phones that disappeared not long after the alleged encounter.

That cell phone situation is the tiebreaker of the he said she said imo

 

[WinginFlorida]

I don't really recall anyone turning the other cheek because the team was winning. At least not to the degree you're suggesting with people excusing rape.

People were and still are skeptical of the story, though.

The deleted text messages are still fishy. We also don't know how dramatically the accuser's story changed from when she told police and when she spoke to doctors/nurses at the hospital.

Let's withhold judgment until the trial concludes.

Didn't LAVol say a week or so ago there will likely be no justice in this case...