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#176
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Matt2496 said:
So you would rather have a potential nuclear war than to have a dialogue?

You think war in the Middle East is bad, a war with NK would kill millions of people and potentially spark a proxy war with China.
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Of course not, who presented that dichotomy?
 
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Septic said:
Probably not.

Read the link, maybe you'll learn something.
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I did, maybe you should.

Almost half the countries in the world are governed by authoritarian regimes, according to a new study by the Social Science Research Center (WZB) in Berlin. But how do you define "authoritarian"?
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Septic said:
Of course not, who presented that dichotomy?
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You posited that the very act of President Trump and KJU meeting together was "legitimizing" the regime. Therefore, it can be reasonably inferred that you disagree with Trump meeting with KJU.

I don't believe the act of meeting legitimized KJU's dictatorship. FDR had multiple pictures of himself taken while meeting with Stalin, that doesn't mean he was legitimizing the Soviet Union.

However, I partially agree with you in the sense that having the American flag alongside the DPRK flag is undoubtedly a bad look and would be a legitmization. In my mind, this would be equivalent to having the American flag alongside the Nazi flag. Overall, this is not a big deal though compared to the larger picture and what is at stake.

Nevertheless, I am still glad at least a dialogue is open with NK and still laud Trump for going where no President has gone before.
 
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Septic said:
That's not a troll, if all trump gets are some remains out of this - it would be the biggest blown opportunity in our lifetime.
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An opportunity that he never gets a shot at if he does not meet with KJ........you seem to be contradicting yourself here big guy......
 
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Septic said:
I've provided you with the information, I cannot provide you with the tools to comprehend it. If you continue to struggle, email the author.
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You posted a random link and it mentioned nothing about meeting with foreign leaders.
 
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hog88 said:
I did, maybe you should.
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I see you intentionally left off the rest of the relevant piece, no surprise there.

Almost half the countries in the world are governed by authoritarian regimes, according to a new study by the Social Science Research Center (WZB) in Berlin. But how do you define "authoritarian"?

According to the researchers, it's anything that is not a democracy.
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Matt2496 said:
You posited that the very act of President Trump and KJU meeting together was "legitimizing" the regime. Therefore, it can be reasonably inferred that you disagree with Trump meeting with KJU.

I don't believe the act of meeting legitimized KJU's dictatorship. FDR had multiple pictures of himself taken while meeting with Stalin, that doesn't mean he was legitimizing the Soviet Union.

However, I partially agree with you in the sense that having the American flag alongside the DPRK flag is undoubtedly a bad look and would be a legitmization. In my mind, this would be equivalent to having the American flag alongside the Nazi flag. Overall, this is not a big deal though compared to the larger picture and what is at stake.

Nevertheless, I am still glad at least a dialogue is open with NK and still laud Trump for going where no President has gone before.
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You can just say that I didn't present the false dichotomy I was accused of.
 
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Vol8188 said:
You posted a random link and it mentioned nothing about meeting with foreign leaders.
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It's not random. You offered you didn't understand what it meant that kim was legitimized when he was clearly the 'leader'.

I presented you with a simplistic article that explains the what's and why's of authoritarian legitimization including the two other pillars of what keeps a despot in power.

That it didn't talk about "meeting" with a foreign "leader" is probably because any rational person would be able to understand that having a political summit with one would be the epitome of said legitimization. So - if you want to play word games, you're barking up the wrong tree.

If you have any further qualms with what the article included or didn't include, take it up with the author. It was pretty clear.
 
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Septic said:
It's not random. You offered you didn't understand what it meant that kim was legitimized when he was clearly the 'leader'.

I presented you with a simplistic article that explains the what's and why's of authoritarian legitimization including the two other pillars of what keeps a despot in power.

That it didn't talk about "meeting" with a foreign "leader" is probably because any rational person would be able to understand that having a political summit with one would be the epitome of said legitimization. So - if you want to play word games, you're barking up the wrong tree.

If you have any further qualms with what the article included or didn't include, take it up with the author. It was pretty clear.
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The author didn’t post the link claiming it supported you. And once again, the legitimacy of his regime is not in question
 
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T-TownVol said:
An opportunity that he never gets a shot at if he does not meet with KJ........you seem to be contradicting yourself here big guy......
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He didn't need to appear with the world saluting DPRK generals and patting Kim on the back to negotiate.

He's in it for the optics, as was my original point - nothing has been accomplished yet.

To be clear, I desperately am pulling for trump that he get's this done. If the DPRK ditches nukes, I'll be the first to say I was wrong.
 
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Vol8188 said:
The author didn’t post the link claiming it supported you. And once again, the legitimacy of his regime is not in question
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I don't think you've read it, or you're having a massive amount of difficulty grasping it.

This is the very first sentence in the article:

Authoritarian regimes have not been legitimized by free and fair elections. Their power is based on violence and oppression. So how do they gain support among the people, and how long can that support last?
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Septic said:
I don't think you've read it, or you're having a massive amount of difficulty grasping it.

This is the very first sentence in the article:
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Right. Still never mentions meeting with world leaders. If anything, the MSM legitimizes him every day. But once again, his legitimacy isn’t in question. The NK people accept him.
 
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Septic said:
Your inability to accept these truths does not diminish them.
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SpaceCoastVol said:
Zero gave the GO order. BFD.

Trump met with KJU. In person. Set it up. And made it happen.

You lose.


Again.
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Lose what?

that you think you're winning anything is pretty delusional considering this is an anonymous message board.

Why would you be so angry that Obama got Bin Laden?
 
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Biopsyman said:
Bid Laden used a drive a Fork Lift
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That any of you would make fun of an occupation says everything about your lack of character.

Funny thing is, I know some fork lift drivers that likely have higher incomes than you are capable of making.

BTW, nice grammar. Another poster boy for the DDOA
 
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114VOL said:
That any of you would make fun of an occupation says everything about your lack of character.

Funny thing is, I know some fork lift drivers that likely have higher incomes than you are capable of making.

BTW, nice grammar. Another poster boy for the DDOA
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I agree
He’s giving you way too much credit.
You can’t drive a fork lift.
 
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