Six Wins Required to get to a Bowl?

#78
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utvolpj said:
You've played SEC football? Did your team go 5-7 and you missed out on a bowl so now you're taking it out on others?
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Her childhood...”circumstances”. Stay focused...you brought it up.
 
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#79
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utvolpj said:
You've played SEC football?
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Keep riding that train, you knew exactly what I was referring to. Looks like you got me beat with that argument, guess I’ll go hide in a corner. Oh, I guess that also means you were or are like one of the players that you are referring to?
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
Boca, you're right.

Objectively, the bar keeps being lowered.

Once upon a time, there was one bowl game. It wasn't even a regular thing, just a promotional. Then the Rose Bowl became annual. Then a couple others joined in. Before a generation passed, we were up to 8-12; it seemed to vary every year.

But one thing was true in all that growth: only good teams got invited. To any of them. Every team was a competitor in its own conference, if not an outright conference champ. Being invited to a bowl and being among the Top 25 were rough equivalents.

Then it expanded again. And again. It stopped being about bringing champions together, and became more about bringing all winners together. Winners meaning, you won more games than you lost.

Finally, we crossed the double barrier: the one into non-winning seasons (6-6), and finally the one into losing seasons (5-7).

So sure. It's just an objective fact. The bar continues to be lowered.

Whether you LIKE the existence of 39-40 bowl games a year, or NOT, that's an objective fact. The bar keeps getting lower.
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Elucidating with uncanny precision. As usual. Thanks JP.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
Boca, you're right.

Objectively, the bar keeps being lowered.

Once upon a time, there was one bowl game. It wasn't even a regular thing, just a promotional. Then the Rose Bowl became annual. Then a couple others joined in. Before a generation passed, we were up to 8-12; it seemed to vary every year.

But one thing was true in all that growth: only good teams got invited. To any of them. Every team was a competitor in its own conference, if not an outright conference champ. Being invited to a bowl and being among the Top 25 were rough equivalents.

Then it expanded again. And again. It stopped being about bringing champions together, and became more about bringing all winners together. Winners meaning, you won more games than you lost.

Finally, we crossed the double barrier: the one into non-winning seasons (6-6), and finally the one into losing seasons (5-7).

So sure. It's just an objective fact. The bar continues to be lowered.

Whether you LIKE the existence of 39-40 bowl games a year, or NOT, that's an objective fact. The bar keeps getting lower.
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It wasn't "that" long ago that the number of bowl games was in the teens. That was in the 90's. There was a reason New Years Day was a big deal.

The SEC Champ played the Sugar Bowl
The Pac10 Big10 Champs played in the Rose Bowl
The SWC Champ played in the Cotton Bowl
The Big 8 Champ played in the Orange Bowl
The Fiesta Bowl had their choice

Teams like: Notre Dame, FSU, Penn St., Pitt, Syracuse, West VA, & Miami were Independents, and The ACC Champ that filled in the gaps.

I hate to say it but the advent of the SEC CG was the origin of the expansion of college football and has led to what we have today. There's a lot of inventory to fill.

With all that said, I'm glad we have more bowl games now but, IMO, we're on the verge of having too many. Using the "it's a reward" excuse is a bit of a stretch. 5-7 teams don't deserve to be rewarded.
 
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GAVol said:
Except...
Everybody doesn't get a trophy.
Everybody doesn't get into a bowl game.
There are winners and losers.
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As the discussion keeps focusing on what a mother did with her kid when he was 5, I keep appreciating this post more and more.

Because the kids in the bowl game did play. They did have to win a certain amount and still try to win the bowl game. They weren't out during football season with pneumonia.

I'm glad the lady raised her son right but the situations aren't a real comparison. The only link that can be made is that they've decided winning the minimum to make a bowl is = to a participation trophy. And frankly, they don't get to make that decision for everyone else.
Her son missing due to illness is a straw man to the actual discussion.
 
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#86
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fade route said:
So the gist of this thread is that football fans are against more football being played. Ok
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Actually, the gist is that roughly half of us like more bowls, half aren't really bothered by it though they don't pay much attention, and half do not favor the growth.

Oh, and PJ is being a jerk.

That's the gist of the thread. And bad math. :)
 
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Boca Vol said:
It wasn't "that" long ago that the number of bowl games was in the teens. That was in the 90's. There was a reason New Years Day was a big deal.
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Exactly. I remember the days when getting invited to a bowl was still a big deal. And I'm not that old.

Okay, okay, I am that old. But I'm not THAT old. I'm not as old as PJ's colon, for instance. :)
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
Actually, the gist is that roughly half of us like more bowls, half aren't really bothered by it though they don't pay much attention, and half do not favor the growth.

Oh, and PJ is being a jerk.

That's the gist of the thread. And bad math. :)
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Meff maff?

( Sorry, I'm not below plagiarizing a good line when I can...)
 
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#91
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chargervol said:
Well it's not fair to make them lift the remote. Much easier for them to suggest it be taken away from the rest of us.😂
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Haha, Charger, you don't get away with that reducto ad absurdum argument. Straighten up, mister. :)
 
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#93
VFL-82-JP said:
Exactly. I remember the days when getting invited to a bowl was still a big deal. And I'm not that old.

Okay, okay, I am that old. But I'm not THAT old. I'm not as old as PJ's colon, for instance. :)
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Bottom line is as long as there are sponsors willing to pay and networks (ESPN) willing to broadcast and can sell advertising, the number of bowls are here to stay.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
Exactly. I remember the days when getting invited to a bowl was still a big deal. And I'm not that old.

Okay, okay, I am that old. But I'm not THAT old. I'm not as old as PJ's colon, for instance. :)
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Making the prestigious bowls is still a big deal. Nothing has been taken away from the select few or your ability to watch them.
 
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Boca Vol said:
Bottom line is as long as there are sponsors willing to pay and networks (ESPN) willing to broadcast and can sell advertising, the number of bowls are here to stay.
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Oh, sure. It's a big money maker. Doesn't matter if there are less than 2,000 people in the stadium, there's still enough of a TV audience for ESPN to make tons of $$ off the ads and sponsors.
 
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#96
chargervol said:
Making the prestigious bowls is still a big deal. Nothing has been taken away from the select few or your ability to watch them.
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Charger, you know by now. I never argue with you. I just spend your money. :hi:


p.s. I typically argue with Boca. Who, paradoxically, I'm agreeing with entirely in this thread.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
Charger, you know by now. I never argue with you. I just spend your money. :hi:


p.s. I typically argue with Boca. Who, paradoxically, I'm agreeing with entirely in this thread.
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We can change this in an instant!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
Charger, you know by now. I never argue with you. I just spend your money. :hi:


p.s. I typically argue with Boca. Who, paradoxically, I'm agreeing with entirely in this thread.
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Yeah, I've noticed. You all are both complaining about what the rest of us called the free market.

Most likely communists imo.😎
 
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chargervol said:
Yeah, I've noticed. You all are both complaining about what the rest of us called the free market.

Most likely communists imo.😎
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lol I tried to talk my daughters out of being socialists the other day. Failed utterly. But I haven't given up yet. Just have to pick my fights. I might wait until they turn 30. :)
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
lol I tried to talk my daughters out of being socialists the other day. Failed utterly. But I haven't given up yet. Just have to pick my fights. I might wait until they turn 30. :)
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I know, but if you don't stop trying to take down the free market in fb, I'm gonna email them the link to this thread.
All the ammo they'll need for years to come. 😇
 
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