TrumpPutingate III: the beginning of the end

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NorthDallas40 said:
Got a link?
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I was deducing. No link but it makes sense. Nunes loves to talk when he thinks he has info damaging to the Mueller investigation. He hasn't said anything about the meeting with the DOJ. If Trump is now definitively saying he won't sit down with Mueller, that is a shift from what they have been saying. The timing leads me to believe that they learned more about what Mueller has - and it wasn't favorable to Trump.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I was deducing. No link but it makes sense. Nunes loves to talk when he thinks he has info damaging to the Mueller investigation. He hasn't said anything about the meeting with the DOJ. If Trump is now definitively saying he won't sit down with Mueller, that is a shift from what they have been saying. The timing leads me to believe that they learned more about what Mueller has - and it wan't favorable to Trump.
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Ok I thought so. No where in your post did you state it as opinion. C’mon man.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I was deducing. No link but it makes sense. Nunes loves to talk when he thinks he has info damaging to the Mueller investigation. He hasn't said anything about the meeting with the DOJ. If Trump is now definitively saying he won't sit down with Mueller, that is a shift from what they have been saying. The timing leads me to believe that they learned more about what Mueller has - and it wan't favorable to Trump.
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If they did it would have been leaked by now. More likely is they saw info damaging to the ranking establishment and they are in damage control now. Remember, a couple Dems saw the docs also and we know they can’t keep their mouths shut.
 
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hog88 said:
If they did it would have been leaked by now. More likely is they saw info damaging to the ranking establishment and they are in damage control now. Remember, a couple Dems saw the docs also and we know they can’t keep their mouths shut.
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I think this is more likely. When this is over people on both sides will probably have 3rd degree burns.
 
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hog88 said:
If they did it would have been leaked by now. More likely is they saw info damaging to the ranking establishment and they are in damage control now. Remember, a couple Dems saw the docs also and we know they can’t keep their mouths shut.
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If Nunes had good news? We would have heard about it by now.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
I think this is more likely. When this is over people on both sides will probably have 3rd degree burns.
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I don’t know, they’re pretty dang good at protecting each other. We might just see all of this die a quick and quiet death and we’ll be left with no answers or real change.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Nixon wasn't weakened by the Watergate investigation at all ... until he fired the special prosecutor, Archibald Cox in October of 1973. Things can change.
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Maybe.. But the point is to this point... Obama had his issues as well but continued on basically no problem at all
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Nixon wasn't weakened by the Watergate investigation at all ... until he fired the special prosecutor, Archibald Cox in October of 1973. Things can change.
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As I remember it, Nixon's real problems started 4 months before that with Alexander Butterfield's testimony.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
He might subpoena but I’m not so sure. There was quite a bit more basis I contend against Clinton than Trump.

And to your comment on Jr and Cohen the delay also has me head scratching. Again if something was there get on with it.
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Here's something that you gotta admit. If Mueller had basically decided there's nothing to the collusion angle, he would have talked to Cohen and Donny Jr both just to cover all his bases and show he had fully investigated all potential leads on collusion. Donny Jr, after all, took the Trump tower meeting. Cohen was alleged in the Steele dossier to have gone to Prague to pay money to Russian hackers (and there's the McClatchy article from a few weeks back saying Mueller has evidence of the Prague trip). There's simply no way those two don't get interviewed. This tells me he's still very much interested in the collusion angle and he's just building as complete of a picture of it as he can before speaking to the two who were most involved. He basically wants to make sure he has them dead to rights before interviewing them.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
If Nunes had good news? We would have heard about it by now.
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Things are looking worse than ever for Trump. The investigation into his high crimes and treason has reached a crescendo. Mueller has his man now.

It won't be long until he charges someone else for jaywalking.
 
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evillawyer said:
Here's something that you gotta admit. If Mueller had basically decided there's nothing to the collusion angle, he would have talked to Cohen and Donny Jr both just to cover all his bases and show he had fully investigated all potential leads on collusion. Donny Jr, after all, took the Trump tower meeting. Cohen was alleged in the Steele dossier to have gone to Prague to pay money to Russian hackers (and there's the McClatchy article from a few weeks back saying Mueller has evidence of the Prague trip). There's simply no way those two don't get interviewed. This tells me he's still very much interested in the collusion angle and he's just building as complete of a picture of it as he can before speaking to the two who were most involved. He basically wants to make sure he has them dead to rights before interviewing them.
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Sure. That’s one way to look at it.
 
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evillawyer said:
Here's something that you gotta admit. If Mueller had basically decided there's nothing to the collusion angle, he would have talked to Cohen and Donny Jr both just to cover all his bases and show he had fully investigated all potential leads on collusion. Donny Jr, after all, took the Trump tower meeting. Cohen was alleged in the Steele dossier to have gone to Prague to pay money to Russian hackers (and there's the McClatchy article from a few weeks back saying Mueller has evidence of the Prague trip). There's simply no way those two don't get interviewed. This tells me he's still very much interested in the collusion angle and he's just building as complete of a picture of it as he can before speaking to the two who were most involved. He basically wants to make sure he has them dead to rights before interviewing them.
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You know you've got a good conspiracy going when the lack of solid evidence makes a stronger case for the theory.

I love it.
 
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DC_Vol said:
You know you've got a good conspiracy going when the lack of solid evidence makes a stronger case for the theory.

I love it.
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Here's the narrative advanced by those on the far right: Mueller is dead set on finding evidence of collusion, looking everywhere and anywhere, and leaving no stone unturned. Despite this, there is no evidence of collusion and this is all just a witch Hunt.

How is that narrative consistent with Donny Jr and Cohen not even being interviewed yet?

What seems much more likely is that he's got evidence of collusion and he wants as complete of a picture as possible before speaking to those two.
 
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evillawyer said:
Here's the narrative advanced by those on the far right: Mueller is dead set on finding evidence of collusion, looking everywhere and anywhere, and leaving no stone unturned. Despite this, there is no evidence of collusion and this is all just a witch Hunt.

How is that narrative consistent with Donny Jr and Cohen not even being interviewed yet?

What seems much more likely is that he's got evidence of collusion and he wants as complete of a picture as possible before speaking to those two.
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That’s wishful thinking on your part.
 
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evillawyer said:
Here's the narrative advanced by those on the far right: Mueller is dead set on finding evidence of collusion, looking everywhere and anywhere, and leaving no stone unturned. Despite this, there is no evidence of collusion and this is all just a witch Hunt.

How is that narrative consistent with Donny Jr and Cohen not even being interviewed yet?

What seems much more likely is that he's got evidence of collusion and he wants as complete of a picture as possible before speaking to those two.
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Yes I'm convinced of it as well. Mueller is about to drop the hammer. He's been methodically building his case, and his camp had been instructed to leak all info at will, as long as it's not about Trump. They want to keep that quiet until the day of the frog march.

I was also told by a very connected source that they have already prepared Orin Hatch to take over the top job.
 
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evillawyer said:
Here's something that you gotta admit. If Mueller had basically decided there's nothing to the collusion angle, he would have talked to Cohen and Donny Jr both just to cover all his bases and show he had fully investigated all potential leads on collusion. Donny Jr, after all, took the Trump tower meeting. Cohen was alleged in the Steele dossier to have gone to Prague to pay money to Russian hackers (and there's the McClatchy article from a few weeks back saying Mueller has evidence of the Prague trip). There's simply no way those two don't get interviewed. This tells me he's still very much interested in the collusion angle and he's just building as complete of a picture of it as he can before speaking to the two who were most involved. He basically wants to make sure he has them dead to rights before interviewing them.
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Anyone who was here during the primaries knows I was never a fan of Trump. I didn't think much of his character and I didn't believe he was a conservative. I did end up voting for him.

My hope was that he would badly damage the Republican Party as it currently exists. There has been a little of that.

I never even imagined that the Democratic Party would be sent into a perpetual tantrum. It's been great so far and I look forward to it continuing for years to come (yes Luther, I said years).

Trump has been a pleasant surprise thus far. His character still leaves much to be desired, IMO. Policy wise, he's been more conservative than I anticipated. And I will go so far as to say I believe he has gotten more done than a true conservative would have at this point.

I believe that is because Trump doesn't much care for those in Congress or other politicians and he just decides what he wants to get done and presses forward.

It's been refreshing not having a life long politician in the office. And watching the lifetime bureaucrats and politicians who felt safely ensconced in their powerful positions scramble for cover has been pretty sweet too.

Keep up the whining, fellas. It never gets old.

If you're looking for a bright spot in the Trump presidency, think of this: Before Trump, Democrats were always willing to kiss Russia's ass. Some of you even wanted to vote in a washed up communist while others wanted to vote for the woman who helped give Russia access to our Urabium supply (and let's not forget that infamous overburden button!!!). Trump helped move you guys to the right side of history. Now you're all anti Putin. Welcome to the party!
 
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DC_Vol said:
Things are looking worse than ever for Trump. The investigation into his high crimes and treason has reached a crescendo. Mueller has his man now.

It won't be long until he charges someone else for jaywalking.
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Here is something else for you to be snide about:

Per an interview on ABC's "This Week" today, Republican Senator Marco Rubio (Florida) said he sees "no evidence" to support President Trump's claims that the FBI used an informant to gather information on his campaign, but that instead the federal probe was focused on "individuals with a history of links to Russia that were concerning."

"As far as what I have seen to date, it appears that there was an investigation not of the campaign, but of certain individuals that have a history that we should be suspicious of, that predate the presidential campaign of 2015 - 2016," Rubio told Martha Raddatz on "This Week." "And when individuals like that are in the orbit of a major political campaign in America, the FBI, who is in charge of counterintelligence investigations, should look at people like that."

Donald Trump has repeatedly claimed that there was an "FBI" spy in his presidential campaign. Rubio said that he thinks that the president and his lawyers are "reacting ... they're responding to what, what they're facing and the things that are happening to them."

"Spygate" (with apologies to the 2007 Patriots) appears to be yet another pie in the sky delusion by Trump. How much smoke is he going to have to blow before he finally loses credibility with his base? Apparently, the legions of the gullible have short memories and don't recall Trump's March 6, 2017 accusation on Twitter that Barack Obama had "wiretapped" Trump Tower (that too was a bust). How else to explain why they continue to buy into his absurd allegations?
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Here is something else for you to be snide about:

Per an interview on ABC's "This Week" today, Republican Senator Marco Rubio (Florida) said he sees "no evidence" to support President Trump's claims that the FBI used an informant to gather information on his campaign, but that instead the federal probe was focused on "individuals with a history of links to Russia that were concerning."

"As far as what I have seen to date, it appears that there was an investigation not of the campaign, but of certain individuals that have a history that we should be suspicious of, that predate the presidential campaign of 2015 - 2016," Rubio told Martha Raddatz on "This Week." "And when individuals like that are in the orbit of a major political campaign in America, the FBI, who is in charge of counterintelligence investigations, should look at people like that."

Donald Trump has repeatedly claimed that there was an "FBI" spy in his presidential campaign. Rubio said that he thinks that the president and his lawyers are "reacting ... they're responding to what, what they're facing and the things that are happening to them."

"Spygate" (with apologies to the 2007 Patriots) appears to be yet another pie in the sky delusion by Trump. How much smoke is he going to have to blow before he finally loses credibility with his base? Apparently, the legions of the gullible have short memories and don't recall Trump's March 6, 2017 accusation on Twitter that Barack Obama had "wiretapped" Trump Tower (that too was a bust). How else to explain why they continue to buy into his absurd allegations?
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Little Marco says YGHN?
 
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