Iran nuclear program. It is a lie

#527
#527
NorthDallas40 said:
It might be related to us cutting off oil and steel resources to Imperial Japan as a result of their expansionist policies in Southeast Asia? I’ve read where they felt those actions by us provoked their attack on us.
Click to expand...

looked it up because I wasn't sure, but we cut them off July 26, 1941.
 
#530
#530
“It is because I believe Iran will not change, and under this agreement it will be able to achieve its dual goals of eliminating sanctions while ultimately retaining its nuclear and non-nuclear power,” he said.

“Better to keep U.S. sanctions in place, strengthen them, enforce secondary sanctions on other nations, and pursue the hard-trodden path of diplomacy once more, difficult as it may be,” he said at the time. -Chucky Schumer 2015
 
#531
#531
SpaceCoastVol said:
I was recently drinking wine with one of our flight attendants that commutes from and lives in Hiroshima. (Think about THAT commute the next time you are stuck in traffic) She has an interesting perspective on all that. I won't get into the whole thing here, but she did talk about the Japanese perspective that they were provoked by the USA's freezing of assets or something like that. That was a few glasses into the conversation so I don't remember all the particulars.
Click to expand...

She's got it right on both points. Hiroshima is still a city, but I like it a lot better than our cities. Whether we could have gotten the Japanese to "rational" at that point is debatable - probably not - but we did force their hand with embargoes on oil and other strategic needs. When they looked around at European colonization - gobbling up resources that they themselves needed, it's easy to understand why they looked at it as "if it's OK for you, then why not for us?"
 
#532
#532
SpaceCoastVol said:
SO you are good with giving them the money after they took our people hostage? Embassy people. You know... essentially an act of war. But we paid them back for it.
Click to expand...

And as far as I can tell our european buddies who wanted our support with the Iran agreement did so much to help get our hostages back. I'm thinking one good screwing deserves another.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
#533
#533
theFallGuy said:
“It is because I believe Iran will not change, and under this agreement it will be able to achieve its dual goals of eliminating sanctions while ultimately retaining its nuclear and non-nuclear power,” he said.

“Better to keep U.S. sanctions in place, strengthen them, enforce secondary sanctions on other nations, and pursue the hard-trodden path of diplomacy once more, difficult as it may be,” he said at the time. -Chucky Schumer 2015
Click to expand...

This is beautiful.
 
#534
#534
SpaceCoastVol said:
I actually started it because I asked how her mom felt about Americans and all that stuff. (Even though she commutes half way around the world to work for us) Hard not to think about that event when the word Hiroshima is mentioned, so I asked. But when she opened that political door I diverted the conversation, mainly because I haven't studied the economic situations of Japan in the 30s and 40s at all so I couldn't intelligently discuss it. I don't believe there is any kind of grudge especially in her (our) generation although I could be wrong, but I did wonder how her mom felt about it. The quick reaction was interesting.
Click to expand...

I think it's highly dependent on which continent people fought WW2. My dad fought in Europe, and we lived in Korea and Japan immediately after WW2. My dad and I both spent a lot of time in Japan later, and neither of us have much negative to say about the Japanese.
 
#535
#535
AM64 said:
I think it's highly dependent on which continent people fought WW2. My dad fought in Europe, and we lived in Korea and Japan immediately after WW2. My dad and I both spent a lot of time in Japan later, and neither of us have much negative to say about the Japanese.
Click to expand...
I love the Japanese culture.

Dink would hate it.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
#536
#536
SpaceCoastVol said:
I was recently drinking wine with one of our flight attendants that commutes from and lives in Hiroshima. (Think about THAT commute the next time you are stuck in traffic) She has an interesting perspective on all that. I won't get into the whole thing here, but she did talk about the Japanese perspective that they were provoked by the USA's freezing of assets or something like that. That was a few glasses into the conversation so I don't remember all the particulars.
Click to expand...

So she agrees with what I've been saying with regards to the US embargo being the catalyst for the Pearl Harbor attack.
 
#538
#538
SpaceCoastVol said:
I was recently drinking wine with one of our flight attendants that commutes from and lives in Hiroshima. (Think about THAT commute the next time you are stuck in traffic) She has an interesting perspective on all that. I won't get into the whole thing here, but she did talk about the Japanese perspective that they were provoked by the USA's freezing of assets or something like that. That was a few glasses into the conversation so I don't remember all the particulars.
Click to expand...

We cut off some steel, oil supplies so its our fault they decided to mount a surprise (they wanted to declare war immediately before) attack on Pear Harbor with the goal of destroying the entire fleet and 10,000 people? Really!
 
#539
#539
SpaceCoastVol said:
SO you are good with giving them the money after they took our people hostage? Embassy people. You know... essentially an act of war. But we paid them back for it.
Click to expand...

I'm not good with us overthrowing Mossedegh and replacing him with Shah Pahlavi, which in turn created the conditions to turn a modetate, mostly secular Iran into a theocracy run by Khomeini. We lost any goodwill we had in that country after we did that.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 3 people
#540
#540
IPleadInsanity said:
We cut off some steel, oil supplies so its our fault they decided to mount a surprise (they wanted to declare war immediately before) attack on Pear Harbor with the goal of destroying the entire fleet and 10,000 people? Really!
Click to expand...
meh. I was just relaying a perspective from the other side. I don't know the true motivations/goals any more than anyone else. I just found it interesting.
 
#541
#541
Rasputin_Vol said:
I'm not good with us overthrowing Mossedegh and replacing him with Shah Pahlavi, which in turn created the conditions to turn a modetate, mostly secular Iran into a theocracy run by Khomeini. We lost any goodwill we had in that country after we did that.
Click to expand...
non sequitur to the question posed.
 
#542
#542
SpaceCoastVol said:
I actually started it because I asked how her mom felt about Americans and all that stuff. (Even though she commutes half way around the world to work for us) Hard not to think about that event when the word Hiroshima is mentioned, so I asked. But when she opened that political door I diverted the conversation, mainly because I haven't studied the economic situations of Japan in the 30s and 40s at all so I couldn't intelligently discuss it. I don't believe there is any kind of grudge especially in her (our) generation although I could be wrong, but I did wonder how her mom felt about it. The quick reaction was interesting.
Click to expand...
I have a thread here on VN that goes into detail about the events leading up to Pearl Harbor. I suggest you give it a read and arm yourself with more info to continue that conversation.
 
#546
#546
Rasputin_Vol said:
Not a non sequitur... there is a direct corelation between the Iranians anger at the US and the Shah and the hostage crisis.

Sorry if that bursts your red, white and blue bubbles.
Click to expand...
nice try. they committed an act of war. we took their money as a result. should have never given it back. and yes I am red white and blue and I don't gaf about their crappy little world at all. their **** hole government is their problem to fix.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 3 people
#549
#549
Grand Vol said:
Be prepared to lose some brain cells.
Click to expand...

Ras isn't always wrong by any means. If you look at it from the Japanese perspective, they were watching Europe rape Asia for any resource they wanted. Japan was modernizing - something we kinda started ourselves, and modernization requires the same resources the Europeans were plundering from "their" colonies which you remember they took by force.

I think if you add that into the perspective first, then the Japanese attitude toward more European force and a US embargo makes more sense. It seems to be a less aggressive posture than Germany took with lebensraum.
 
New posts
You must log in or register to reply here.
Advertisement

Back
Top