To Protect and to Serve II

[Cdywolfe]

Being specific....what would you have done differently?

Well for starters I would’ve taken 30 seconds and questioned why a call reporting a hostage situation in Kansas originated in California. Considering there is over 400 swatting incidents a year, a call originating from 1500 miles away should’ve at a minimum given the department pause.

As for the officer himself, like I said before. He needs to be 100% certain deadly force is necessary before pulling the trigger. The “reaching for the waistband” excuse needs to not fly any longer. I’m sorry but officer safety is not more important than mine, it’s not more important than yours, and it wasn’t more important than Andrew Finch’s. They had him outnumbered/surrounded and they were easily 30 yards away, there’s no excuse to shoot an unarmed man in that situation.

 

[Cdywolfe]

Also... When are we gonna stop just blindly accepting that these unarmed people are weirdly reaching for their waistbands while a group of cops have guns pointed at them?

 

[Cdywolfe]

I don’t expect or want an answer., you can really tell people who have had negative leo experiences now of those I wonder how many were or are breaking the law or had a family member who did. It’s not 💯 but it’s not a low number. My guess

I can’t help but laugh every time I see this. It can’t possibly be that I simply want LE to be held accountable and maybe follow the constitution. No... It’s that I broke the law and I’m now butthurt that some meanie cop caught me.

It the equivalent of some dingleberry liberal telling me I only want to own guns because I have a small penis.

 

[vol445]

True. With the exception of how shootings are actually handled. He is first investigated by the ,bureau where the incident occurred, the agency he works for, and the d.a. To make sure the split second decision was right or wrong

 

[RikidyBones]

Also... When are we gonna stop just blindly accepting that these unarmed people are weirdly reaching for their waistbands while a group of cops have guns pointed at them?

that is becoming the modern day "let's sprinkle some crack on him and get the hell out of here"

 

[Cdywolfe]

True. With the exception of how shootings are actually handled. He is first investigated by the ,bureau where the incident occurred, the agency he works for, and the d.a. To make sure the split second decision was right or wrong

Listen... I’m not saying the guy did it on purpose. He most likely didn’t. I’m not looking for a murder charge. I just tired of hearing “Well the officer feared for his life so... Sorry”.

It was an innocent, unarmed, father of two who walked out his front door to see what the commotion was about and was shot 10 seconds into the encounter. Oh well the cop thought he had a gun just isn’t good enough.

Like I said above when you blame the guy who placed the call and leave it at that, then that does nothing to incentivize LE to take serious steps to avoid it happening again. And FTR I think the guy who placed the call should be executed but that doesn’t mean we should ignore all the ways LE failed this guy as well.

I want cops to go home to their families at night too. But I’m just not willing to do it at the cost of innocent civilians.

 

[MyBloodRunnethOrange]

Officer acquitted of 2nd degree murder for the fatal shooting of Daniel Shaver

This story absolutely makes my blood boil! You have a guy on his hands and knees begging for his life and he still gets murdered by the cop. And absolutely no consequences!

 

[MyBloodRunnethOrange]

True. With the exception of how shootings are actually handled. He is first investigated by the ,bureau where the incident occurred, the agency he works for, and the d.a. To make sure the split second decision was right or wrong

So he was investigated by groups who have an incentive to cover their ass, and we should take their word for it?

 

[Cdywolfe]

Chilling Video Shows Cop Taser Boy Riding ATV—from His Patrol Car—Killing Him

This is another one of those instances where I can’t help but wonder why one of the 50 “good” cops standing around didn’t arrest him.

Also... This is one of the few times that I think we’ll see a conviction but, with that said, I won’t be even a little surprised if he walks. After Daniel Shaver nothing will surprise me.

 

[Grand Vol]

Well for starters I would’ve taken 30 seconds and questioned why a call reporting a hostage situation in Kansas originated in California. Considering there is over 400 swatting incidents a year, a call originating from 1500 miles away should’ve at a minimum given the department pause.

I will say this isn't entirely a valid point. People move around and keep their old numbers especially since that number isn't tied to a geographical area like landlines once were.

In my employee base alone, I've got an overwhelming number of Oklahoma numbers, but also some from North Carolina, Kansas, Texas, Colorado and even one from California.

 

[Cdywolfe]

I will say this isn't entirely a valid point. People move around and keep their old numbers especially since that number isn't tied to a geographical area like landlines once were.

In my employee base alone, I've got an overwhelming number of Oklahoma numbers, but also some from North Carolina, Kansas, Texas, Colorado and even one from California.

I realize this isn’t tv, where they’d just instantly know. But realistically how long would take to figure out where the call was placed (like which cell tower)? 5 minutes, 15 minutes, 2 hours?

 

[volbeast33]

I realize this isn’t tv, where they’d just instantly know. But realistically how long would take to figure out where the call was placed (like which cell tower)? 5 minutes, 15 minutes, 2 hours?

Then we would be sharing stories about cops not showing up for 2 hours while a little boy was murdered....

 

[volbeast33]

Chilling Video Shows Cop Taser Boy Riding ATV—from His Patrol Car—Killing Him

This is another one of those instances where I can’t help but wonder why one of the 50 “good” cops standing around didn’t arrest him.

Also... This is one of the few times that I think we’ll see a conviction but, with that said, I won’t be even a little surprised if he walks. After Daniel Shaver nothing will surprise me.

If he was just riding a four wheeler that cop needs to go to jail

 

[Grand Vol]

I realize this isn’t tv, where they’d just instantly know. But realistically how long would take to figure out where the call was placed (like which cell tower)? 5 minutes, 15 minutes, 2 hours?

For every 911 system in the country to have that capability?

I don't know how long it would take to track down a specific cell tower to a specific phone number to be honest. But overhauling the infrastructure of every 911 dispatch in the country with that capability would be an enormous task. And you'd have all sorts of people questioning the system as it allows LEOs far more power than many would want. You want the cops to be able to instantly trace where your phone is calling from without a warrant? There likely is a serious 4th Amendment debate which would ensue over such a system.

 

[Cdywolfe]

Then we would be sharing stories about cops not showing up for 2 hours while a little boy was murdered....

I don’t recall suggesting that they wait for two hours. I was just asking how long it takes the authorities to obtain than info.

 

[Cdywolfe]

For every 911 system in the country to have that capability?

I don't know how long it would take to track down a specific cell tower to a specific phone number to be honest. But overhauling the infrastructure of every 911 dispatch in the country with that capability would be an enormous task. And you'd have all sorts of people questioning the system as it allows LEOs far more power than many would want. You want the cops to be able to instantly trace where your phone is calling from without a warrant? There likely is a serious 4th Amendment debate which would ensue over such a system.

Far enough but I kinda feel like you waive your right to privacy (regarding your location) when you call 911 and report a hostage situation.

 

[MyBloodRunnethOrange]

For every 911 system in the country to have that capability?

I don't know how long it would take to track down a specific cell tower to a specific phone number to be honest. But overhauling the infrastructure of every 911 dispatch in the country with that capability would be an enormous task. And you'd have all sorts of people questioning the system as it allows LEOs far more power than many would want. You want the cops to be able to instantly trace where your phone is calling from without a warrant? There likely is a serious 4th Amendment debate which would ensue over such a system.

Calls being placed to 911? Absolutely! Not only do I want it, I expect it. If I'm being held hostage the only thing I may be able to do is dial 911. I hope they can trace it and find me.

 

[Grand Vol]

Far enough but I kinda feel like you waive your right to privacy (regarding your location) when you call 911 and report a hostage situation.

Still, there is a 4th Amendment debate that must happen. Even as abused as that Amendment has been, this does cross into a serious gray area that screams it's likely to be abused over the long run. Give an inch, take a mile. First, it's just hostage situations, then it turns into the cops chasing down false reporting of other crimes and minor acts.

Be careful, we've entered the Twilight Zone here when you're asking for more authority for cops and I'm saying it's not a great idea.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

For every 911 system in the country to have that capability?

I don't know how long it would take to track down a specific cell tower to a specific phone number to be honest. But overhauling the infrastructure of every 911 dispatch in the country with that capability would be an enormous task. And you'd have all sorts of people questioning the system as it allows LEOs far more power than many would want. You want the cops to be able to instantly trace where your phone is calling from without a warrant? There likely is a serious 4th Amendment debate which would ensue over such a system.

I just assumed they already had that type of power anyways.

And since when has LE ever been concerned about 4th Amendment violations? WTF do you call "stop and frisk" and "DUI checkpoints"?

 

[vol445]

So he was investigated by groups who have an incentive to cover their ass, and we should take their word for it?

Not saying that. But that are three separate times an officer is investigated. whom else should judge him?

I agree on the dept but the other two will hang Leo out to dry when given the chance. They have nothing to gain

 

[MyBloodRunnethOrange]

Not saying that. But that are three separate times an officer is investigated. whom else should judge him?

I agree on the dept but the other two will hang Leo out to dry when given the chance. They have nothing to gain

Prosecutors and police are in bed together. They're dependant on one another.

I'd like to see all police shootings handled by a civilian oversight committee, elected by and answerable to the people.

 

[Cdywolfe]

Prosecutors and police are in bed together. They're dependant on one another.

I'd like to see all police shootings handled by a civilian oversight committee, elected by and answerable to the people.

The only problem is that far too many people are simply okay with cops killing people.

For instance the cop who tazed the kid on SUV that I posted about earlier, there’s an insane amount of people that are okay with what he did.

 

[Mick]

Prosecutors and police are in bed together. They're dependant on one another.

I'd like to see all police shootings handled by a civilian oversight committee, elected by and answerable to the people.

You willing to pay more taxes for that "big Government"? Didn't think so. Damn, I hear your screeching now if that would happen.

 

[vol445]

Prosecutors and police are in bed together. They're dependant on one another.

I'd like to see all police shootings handled by a civilian oversight committee, elected by and answerable to the people.

Yeah that’s the answer the very people who for a large part don’t understand the laws to begin with. I say that because even when cleared people holler injustice, which is a clear indication they do not understand the laws. Again not saying every time neither is 100% foolproof.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Yeah that’s the answer the very people who for a large part don’t understand the laws to begin with. I say that because even when cleared people holler injustice, which is a clear indication they do not understand the laws. Again not saying every time neither is 100% foolproof.

There is no fault or shame in not understanding an unjust law. Any law that allows LEOs to kill with very little punitive action is perplexing to most people.