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#151
#151
BowlBrother85 said:
Maybe but at the very least he seems more in control of his faculties than former PA Senator Rick Santorum, who has been lecturing the kids of Parkland, Fla to learn CPR rather than advocate for gun control. Now, how to apply a tourniquet could be a useful skill when coping with a gun shot wound but what the hell good is CPR going to do?
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You are more likely to need to use CPR to someone in need than apply a tourniquet to a gunshot victim at your school.
 
#152
#152
DancingOutlaw said:
You are more likely to need to use CPR to someone in need than apply a tourniquet to a gunshot victim at your school.
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That is just wrong! CPR will be of no use to someone who is bleeding to death.

Edit: I may have misinterpreted your post. You are saying that in general, you are more likely to use CPR for someone who might need it for any reason than you are to have to assist a gun shot victim. That's true but it's not what Rick Santorum was saying. But my apologies for not reading your post correctly the first time.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I would say:

1) Raise age to 21
2) Ban bump stocks
3) Ban magazines over 10 rounds (except for law enforcement)
4) Allow lawsuits against purchasers of guns that are stolen and then used to commit violence.
5) Allow purchasers to obtain insurance for # 4.
6) Allow states to mandate # 5 if they so choose.
7) Require background checks for all firearms purchases.
8) Increase presence of SROs on school campuses.
9) Allow states to require metal detectors at schools and public entertainment venues if they so choose.
10) Allow law enforcement to file petitions for seizure of firearms from those considered a threat to themselves or others, with a hearing to be held within 72 hours to determine whether the seizure is justified and to be continued.
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Lmao at 4-6. Possibly the most absurd no D4H post I’ve read on VN.
 
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#156
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DancingOutlaw said:
New proposal: voluntary buyback sponsored by the US government.

The guns are melted down and used to help build the border wall.
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The bidding on my AR starts at $10 million, tax free. The .gov can afford that.

Oh, and there is no negotiation down.
 
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#160
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hog88 said:
Stevens is the relic.
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But as retired Supreme Court justice John Paul Stevens reminds us today, the personal right to bear arms as a premise of constitutional law is actually less than a decade old.
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That quote if from the article and is complete and total bull****. The 2A has been interpreted as a right to own guns as long as I can remember.
 
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For over 200 years after the adoption of the Second Amendment, it was uniformly understood as not placing any limit on either federal or state authority to enact gun control legislation. In 1939 the Supreme Court unanimously held that Congress could prohibit the possession of a sawed-off shotgun because that weapon had no reasonable relation to the preservation or efficiency of a “well regulated militia.”
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And this one implies that I should be able to actually own an ASSAULT RIFLE!
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
That quote if from the article and is complete and total bull****. The 2A has been interpreted as a right to own guns as long as I can remember.
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DC v. Heller was the first SCOTUS case in history to decide whether the 2A protects and individual right to bear arms. That is what is meant by the quote you mentioned.
 
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DancingOutlaw said:
You are more likely to need to use CPR to someone in need than apply a tourniquet to a gunshot victim at your school.
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BowlBrother85 said:
That is just wrong! CPR will be of no use to someone who is bleeding to death.

Edit: I may have misinterpreted your post. You are saying that in general, you are more likely to use CPR for someone who might need it for any reason than you are to have to assist a gun shot victim. That's true but it's not what Rick Santorum was saying. But my apologies for not reading your post correctly the first time.
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I have used CPR, I never used a tourniquet on a gunshot wound.
 
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05_never_again said:
DC v. Heller was the first SCOTUS case in history to decide whether the 2A protects and individual right to bear arms. That is what is meant by the quote you mentioned.
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Ah, I see the distinction. The fact that it only made it to the SCOTUS a decade ago doesn't mean that it hasn't meant that all along though.
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
Ah, I see the distinction. The fact that it only made it to the SCOTUS a decade ago doesn't mean that it hasn't meant that all along though.
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Agreed, but gun control folks had been holding out hope for a long time that the SCOTUS would rule on that one in their favor. If it went the other way, then the SCOTUS would have effectively said that the 2A is not an individual right, which would have likely led to DC-like handgun bans in other places. It was a really big defeat for them, followed by McDonald v. City of Chicago a few years later:

McDonald v. City of Chicago - Wikipedia

The culture wars are fascinating. Conservatives are winning the culture war on the topic of guns, but they've lost the culture war on gay marriage and are in the process of losing it on drugs.
 
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05_never_again said:
Agreed, but gun control folks had been holding out hope for a long time that the SCOTUS would rule on that one in their favor. If it went the other way, then the SCOTUS would have effectively said that the 2A is not an individual right, which would have likely led to DC-like handgun bans in other places. It was a really big defeat for them, followed by McDonald v. City of Chicago a few years later:

McDonald v. City of Chicago - Wikipedia

The culture wars are fascinating. Conservatives are winning the culture war on the topic of guns, but they've lost the culture war on gay marriage and are in the process of losing it on drugs.
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I think they have lost on everything but guns; and the clock is ticking on that one.
 
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Vol8188 said:
The entire conversation regards killing a student in a classroom. That’s pretty close and personal. Guns are used more than pencils because they’re more effecient tools.
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In the old west guns earned the term "equalizer" for a reason. It's easier for a kid who was bullied to fight back with a gun ... after all, there usually is a reason that some kids are bullies and some are the victims.

I'm guessing that if you could find a solution to what makes some school age kids asses and some their victims, it would go a long way to ending all violence in schools. With the advent of social media and the increasing importance place on social rather than educational values (by students) and general parental lack of care, the problem is more likely to increase. I'd also guess that a lot of what lies behind the flawed mentalities of school shooters stems back to what happened in schools and the school years in general. You get the distinct impression that most of the shooters have been made to feel small, so they intend to go out big.

In the end, however, it is the person - not the gun that initiates the violence, and there lies the solutions. It could have been a gun, a truck, a bomb, a knife, or a pencil; but as you say, guns and bombs tend to make a bolder statement and require less ability than a pencil.
 
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