McCain's affairs - at what cost?

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notverycrucial said:
Who says Slick Willy's infidelity was not an issue? It sure seemed like a big issue at the time. The mainstream media talked endlessly about Clinton blowjobs in the Oval Office for two years!! You don't think they're going to try and do the same thing to John McCain if they can?
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And remind me who got elected?
 
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superdave1984 said:
Would somebody please tell me why McCain's affairs are relevant to the upcoming election, but Slick Wille's numerous trips outside his marriage were not?
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It shouldn't matter. I didn't care when Clinton was getting plenty from interns and employees alike and I don't care that McCain did either. Politicians are by definition ego-maniacs and the fact that anyone can be surprised that many/most of them have affairs is surprising to me.

I realize this goes against many peoples morals and beliefs -- but I'm not their father and I don't get my moral compass from them. They are asked to lead our country and I don't think fidelity is on the list of requirements.
 
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VolByBirth said:
I realize this goes against many peoples morals and beliefs -- but I'm not their father and I don't get my moral compass from them. They are asked to lead our country and I don't think fidelity is on the list of requirements.
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Fidelity is not on the list, lack of it just shows an inability of being able to do what is best for the whole and instead serving oneself. If a person can't do what is in the best interests of his family why should I expect he will do what is in the best interests of his country?
 
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allvol123 said:
Fidelity is not on the list, lack of it just shows an inability of being able to do what is best for the whole and instead serving oneself. If a person can't do what is in the best interests of his family why should I expect he will do what is in the best interests of his country?
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Socialist.
 
#84
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allvol123 said:
Fidelity is not on the list, lack of it just shows an inability of being able to do what is best for the whole and instead serving oneself. If a person can't do what is in the best interests of his family why should I expect he will do what is in the best interests of his country?
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Govt should butt out of our lives, no? So why shouldn't we butt out of theirs?
 
#85
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I am sure we have different views on how to get to "what is best for the whole". So no, I am not an ace.
 
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TennNC said:
Govt should butt out of our lives, no? So why shouldn't we butt out of theirs?
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There is no equivalence there.

Why wouldn't you want to know about the character of someone who is effectively interviewing for the most important job in the world?
 
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TennNC said:
Govt should butt out of our lives, no? So why shouldn't we butt out of theirs?
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Yes government should. I don't go around poking into anyone's life. If some facts come out about a public figure's life it is ridiculous for me to not use those facts in forming an opinion of the person. You disagree? If you learn something about a person, you do not use it in determining your views on that person?
 
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allvol123 said:
Fidelity is not on the list, lack of it just shows an inability of being able to do what is best for the whole and instead serving oneself. If a person can't do what is in the best interests of his family why should I expect he will do what is in the best interests of his country?
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I would argue anyone wanting to be a politician is admitting they do not have their families interest at heart. I believe most politicians have little time for their families or their families interests.

As a father, would you really want to subject your wife and kids to the persistent scrutiny that comes with politics? I don't care how "good" you are -- it's pretty certain half the nation will dislike you solely based on your political party. No, I'll take my family elsewhere and keep them from the idiocy that is the public and their half-informed opinions.
 
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VolByBirth said:
I would argue anyone wanting to be a politician is admitting they do not have their families interest at heart. I believe most politicians have little time for their families or their families interests.

As a father, would you really want to subject your wife and kids to the persistent scrutiny that comes with politics? I don't care how "good" you are -- it's pretty certain half the nation will dislike you solely based on your political party. No, I'll take my family elsewhere and keep them from the idiocy that is the public and their half-informed opinions.
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I can certiainly make the opposite argument. In fact, you could argue that someone deciding to get into politics cares about their family so much, that they are willing to endure public scrutiny in order to help create a better community for their family. It is hard to say this about any politician given the cynical lense we view them with, but the argument is credible.

As a father, I have no problem being scrutinized for my beliefs and decisions. In fact, I welcome it. My ideas and principles either stand up or they don't, I want my kids to see which they result in.

But getting back to the matter...how again does it not matter?
 
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allvol123 said:
I can certiainly make the opposite argument. In fact, you could argue that someone deciding to get into politics cares about their family so much, that they are willing to endure public scrutiny in order to help create a better community for their family. It is hard to say this about any politician given the cynical lense we view them with, but the argument is credible.

As a father, I have no problem being scrutinized for my beliefs and decisions. In fact, I welcome it. My ideas and principles either stand up or they don't, I want my kids to see which they result in.

But getting back to the matter...how again does it not matter?
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I would agree that being a politician does not come without criticism and this is a fair price.....but you are also putting your family out there. How many times did we hear that Chelsea Clinton was unattractive or the Bush daughter being a raging drunk. Unfair to both....unnecessary....and they did not get to choose whether or not they were to be put in this scrutiny.

In the same way I didn't care if a President used to be a drunk, used to commit adultery, or did/did not do a line of coke.....I don't care that our President is perfect. I don't believe fidelity is a good indicator of Presidential performance.
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You have no problem with a leader that lies to the people that are supposed to be the most important people in his life. That is your right to feel that way.
 
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TennNC said:
based upon who they have sex with?
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Definitely . . . If a guy will cheat on his wife, he most assuredly won't think twice about lying to everybody else whenever it's convenient. That's not being Puritanical. That's just being logical.

It's doesn't necessarily disqualify someone, but it's definitely something to consider.
 
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GAVol said:
IDefinitely . . . If a guy will cheat on his wife, he most assuredly won't think twice about lying to everybody else whenever it's convenient. That's not being Puritanical. That's just being logical.

It's doesn't necessarily disqualify someone, but it's definitely something to consider.
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This all seems so confusing. This idea of judging someone by their actions. Seems much more logical to go by what they say in fancy fabricated rehearsed speeches.
 
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GAVol said:
There is no equivalence there.

Why wouldn't you want to know about the character of someone who is effectively interviewing for the most important job in the world?
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I guess I do draw the line at what I consider to be someone's private life. I don't care if they're president. - there are certain things every human being deserves to keep to themselves and those they love most.

Does the job they're interviewing for require them to not cheat on their spouse? Should we care to know if they ever experimented with drugs? How about if they ever protested against something? How about if they ever got fired from a job? How about if they were ever abused? Are those the types of questions we should be asking to determine the character needed to lead the free world?

How about wisdom, confidence, love of mankind, and ability to motivate? I'll consider those more important than whether someone has controlled his libido.
 
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allvol123 said:
This all seems so confusing. This idea of judging someone by their actions. Seems much more logical to go by what they say in fancy fabricated rehearsed speeches.
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Judging someone on what they do in their private life? Do you want your employer to know about yours? Why not offer that up, given that your character will highly influence your performance?
 
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TennNC said:
Judging someone on what they do in their private life? Do you want your employer to know about yours? Why not offer that up, given that your character will highly influence your character?
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A thorough employer will seek to find out your financial and criminal background records, perhaps not love life, but certainly private affairs. And they have asked me and I did offer it up.

Why are you so against knowing someone lies to the people they are supposed to care about most? How do you justify this as a person that will make correct decisions for his country?
 
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Also take into consideration the case of Obama... he has little experience, yet we're not supposed to hold any of his assocations against him that could give us a clue to his views on life, we're supposed to accept what he reads of his teleprompter (which is scary enough).

Hope it's not showing again, just my opinion.
 
#100
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some of the people telling us that John Edwards' affair is not important and is a private matter are the very people who were convinced that George W's drunk driving conviction should have disqualified him from being President.
 
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