Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson are CLEARLY the 2 best QBs in the 2018 NFL Draft

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bamawriter said:
Hitler said the same thing.
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Maybe I wasn't specific enough. I can tell what type of person someone is by looking into their eyes.

With Baker Mayfield, I see an egomaniac who craves attention and celebrity. Those are typically not traits conducive to a successful NFL career.
 
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Jackson and Mayfield. Allen is trash. He should be a 5th round developmental qb but is getting the industry push.

Jackson has the most potential in the draft easily.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Maybe I wasn't specific enough. I can tell what type of person someone is by looking into their eyes.

With Baker Mayfield, I see an egomaniac who craves attention and celebrity. Those are typically not traits conducive to a successful NFL career.
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People say stuff like this and compare him to Manziel but I don’t see it. At least not off the field the cockiness on the field sure but he’s not partying like a maniac and taking pics with tons of celebs like Manziel
 
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butchna said:
Shocking development. :lol:
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I'm sure it will be shocking when I'm right about and again.

One can barely complete a 5 yard pass accurately and had one 230 yard game last year in 11 games. One won a Heisman and had almost 5k the last two years in the ACC. No comparison.
 
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k-town_king said:
I'm sure it will be shocking when I'm right about and again.

One can barely complete a 5 yard pass accurately and had one 230 yard game last year in 11 games. One won a Heisman and had almost 5k the last two years in the ACC. No comparison.
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He won a Heisman? Oh I forgot...he’s f¥<€{]!

-D4H
 
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k-town_king said:
Jackson and Mayfield. Allen is trash. He should be a 5th round developmental qb but is getting the industry push.

Jackson has the most potential in the draft easily.
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Agree on Jackson but you're wrong about Allen and Mayfield. Quality of teammates and scheme matters. That's why you can't just look at stats and try to project NFL success.

Josh Allen had a terrible offensive line and no receivers while playing in a pro style offense that didn't give him easy throws to inflate his completion percentage. Baker Mayfield on the other hand had a mammoth offensive line that gave him loads of time, skill positon players that were almost always more talented than their opposition in the Big 12, and an offensive mastermind of a head coach that did a great job scheming guys open.

If you had Josh Allen and Baker Mayfield switch places, Oklahoma would have been better while Wyoming would be much worse. The talent between them is simply not comprable. Josh Allen is much better in every way.
 
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butchna said:
He won a Heisman? Oh I forgot...he’s f¥<€{]!

-D4H
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Nope. Like Cam Newton, Lamar Jackson's success in college wasn't because he played with a lot of talent that made him look good. Lamar was the reason Louisville was relevant as he carried a subpar team on his back.

Baker Mayfield is the one who fits the typical Heisman winner who turns out to be a bust in the NFL. Lamar Jackson fits the mold of the Cam Newton-esque outlier.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Agree on Jackson but you're wrong about Allen and Mayfield. Quality of teammates and scheme matters. That's why you can't just look at stats and try to project NFL success.

Josh Allen had a terrible offensive line and no receivers while playing in a pro style offense that didn't give him easy throws to inflate his completion percentage. Baker Mayfield on the other hand had a mammoth offensive line that gave him loads of time, skill positon players that were almost always more talented than their opposition in the Big 12, and an offensive mastermind of a head coach that did a great job scheming guys open.

If you had Josh Allen and Baker Mayfield switch places, Oklahoma would have been better while Wyoming would be much worse. The talent between them is simply not comprable. Josh Allen is much better in every way.
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WRONG.

All that really matters is facial characteristics and the look of their eyes.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Nope. Like Cam Newton, Lamar Jackson's success in college wasn't because he played with a lot of talent that made him look good. Lamar was the reason Louisville was relevant as he carried a subpar team on his back.

Baker Mayfield is the one who fits the typical Heisman winner who turns out to be a bust in the NFL. Lamar Jackson fits the mold of the Cam Newton-esque outlier.
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I see Robert Griffin. Same body type and arm.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Agree on Jackson but you're wrong about Allen and Mayfield. Quality of teammates and scheme matters. That's why you can't just look at stats and try to project NFL success.

Josh Allen had a terrible offensive line and no receivers while playing in a pro style offense that didn't give him easy throws to inflate his completion percentage. Baker Mayfield on the other hand had a mammoth offensive line that gave him loads of time, skill positon players that were almost always more talented than their opposition in the Big 12, and an offensive mastermind of a head coach that did a great job scheming guys open.

If you had Josh Allen and Baker Mayfield switch places, Oklahoma would have been better while Wyoming would be much worse. The talent between them is simply not comprable. Josh Allen is much better in every way.
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Allen has no touch. His wrs dropped the least amount of passes of all the qbs this year. He can't even hit a 5 yard out route consistently with a guy wide open. So even if he had he open wrs BM did he still wouldn't complete anymore passes. Negative qbase rating. At the bottom of every category versus the other qbs.

Mayfield has great touch, anticipation, accuracy and a strong arm. Scheme helped him but is a way better qb than Allen.

Don't be blinded because some doofus that can't pass accurately can chuck it 80 yard.

The only category Allen is better in than the other qbs going in the top 3 rounds is arm strength. The least important attribute for a qb..
 
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BIG BOI 23 said:
Mayfield’s accuracy was so impressive the last 2 years I feel like he will figure it out and in the right situation become a good pro
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Correct. Throwing accuracy is something you can improve a bit with better mechanics, but ultimately is a trait/skill you either have or you don’t. QBs that are inaccurate in college don’t suddenly get accurate in the NFL, at a higher, faster level vs much better competition. Mayfield, like Watson during his college career, was wildly accurate both in the pocket and out of the pocket at Oklahoma, and it’s gonna serve him well at the next level.
 
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Vols410 said:
WRONG.

All that really matters is facial characteristics and the look of their eyes.
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Those matter as well but they come into play after the film. Both Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson pass the eye test. They have the look of greatness.
 
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butchna said:
I see Robert Griffin. Same body type and arm.
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Lamar Jackson is significantly more elusive than RG3. RG3 was a straight line speed track guy who couldn't make guys miss and had horrible pocket presence. Lamar Jackson is a wizard at making guys miss and has excellent pocket presence. The two players are not remotely comprable.

Deshaun Watson is the player that is like RG3.
 
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k-town_king said:
Allen has no touch. His wrs dropped the least amount of passes of all the qbs this year. He can't even hit a 5 yard out route consistently with a guy wide open. So even if he had he open wrs BM did he still wouldn't complete anymore passes. Negative qbase rating. At the bottom of every category versus the other qbs.

Mayfield has great touch, anticipation, accuracy and a strong arm. Scheme helped him but is a way better qb than Allen.

Don't be blinded because some doofus that can't pass accurately can chuck it 80 yard.

The only category Allen is better in than the other qbs going in the top 3 rounds is arm strength. The least important attribute for a qb..
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No. He's also the second most athletic QB in this class. He tested better than Mayfield, Darnold, and Rosen in all the athletic testing. The only QB more athletic than him is Lamar Jackson who didn't test at the combine but we know is a superb athlete.

It's clear you're more of a stats guy than a pure eye test guy like me. I've seen Josh Allen show better pocket presence than all the other top rated QBs outside of Lamar Jackson. I've seen him show better escapability when the pocket collapses than every other QB in this class outside of Lamar Jackson. I've seen him throw on the run with better accuracy than any other QB in this class. He's great at more than just throwing the ball hard and far.

Also you can't downplay the importance of arm strength. It's the number attribute scouts look at when assesing whether a guy can even play in the NFL. I'm not saying arm strength alone is sufficient to become a star QB in the NFL. A big arm is however necessary to become a star QB in the NFL (outside of a few outliers).

Josh Allen's elite arm strength will allow him to make throws in the NFL that 99.9% of the other NFL QBs won't be able to make. You can't downplay a skill like that.
 
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k-town_king said:
Allen has no touch. His wrs dropped the least amount of passes of all the qbs this year. He can't even hit a 5 yard out route consistently with a guy wide open. So even if he had he open wrs BM did he still wouldn't complete anymore passes. Negative qbase rating. At the bottom of every category versus the other qbs.

Mayfield has great touch, anticipation, accuracy and a strong arm. Scheme helped him but is a way better qb than Allen.

Don't be blinded because some doofus that can't pass accurately can chuck it 80 yard.

The only category Allen is better in than the other qbs going in the top 3 rounds is arm strength. The least important attribute for a qb..
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Surprised at how bad his completion % is. That changes my mind on him.
 
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