I’m ready to compromise

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FLVOL_79 said:
No one wants to look at the real issue here which isn't the guns but mental health. I think its because so many kids are on medication, including almost all female adults, they are too afraid to at the real problem because they will see their own reflection staring back at them.
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When people are asked about these school shooters how many of them say - “oh wow didn’t see that coming”?

Red flags are all over the place in all of these cases. How about we act on it. Instead they don’t want to talk about the real failings here and take the chicken **** way out by deflecting blame
 
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lawgator1 said:
I would say:

1) Raise age to 21
2) Ban bump stocks
3) Ban magazines over 10 rounds (except for law enforcement)
4) Allow lawsuits against purchasers of guns that are stolen and then used to commit violence.
5) Allow purchasers to obtain insurance for # 4.
6) Allow states to mandate # 5 if they so choose.
7) Require background checks for all firearms purchases.
8) Increase presence of SROs on school campuses.
9) Allow states to require metal detectors at schools and public entertainment venues if they so choose.
10) Allow law enforcement to file petitions for seizure of firearms from those considered a threat to themselves or others, with a hearing to be held within 72 hours to determine whether the seizure is justified and to be continued.
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Agree with all but 4, 5 6 and 9 (don't think feds need to micromanage state school safety procedures).
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
No one wants to look at the real issue here which isn't the guns but mental health. I think its because so many kids are on medication, including almost all female adults, they are too afraid to at the real problem because they will see their own reflection staring back at them.
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It is a cultural problem.
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
No one wants to look at the real issue here which isn't the guns but mental health. I think its because so many kids are on medication, including almost all female adults, they are too afraid to at the real problem because they will see their own reflection staring back at them.
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Evil is evil. You can't regulate it, medicate it, phsyco analyze it away, or prevent anyone who just snaps one day from doing something violent.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I would say:

3) Ban magazines over 10 rounds (except for law enforcement)
If it can be domestically carried for defense of LEO it can be carried by the people.
4) Allow lawsuits against purchasers of guns that are stolen and then used to commit violence.
Technically can't they do that now? I mean, the huge majority should be thrown out and all defendant costs be assessed to the plaintiff of course.
5) Allow purchasers to obtain insurance for # 4.
Exists now, including through NRA membership.
6) Allow states to mandate # 5 if they so choose.
#&@#! no, and probably unconstitutional anyway
10) Allow law enforcement to file petitions for seizure of firearms from those considered a threat to themselves or others, with a hearing to be held within 72 hours to determine whether the seizure is justified and to be continued.
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10 is interesting but a legal quagmire. You might well have to run through the ACLU before even getting to the gun rights people.
 
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luthervol said:
Easy enough fix. A gun must be reported as stolen within 48 hours. If not, and it's used in a crime, you are charged with a misdemeanor, 2nd offense would be a felony.
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Sounds good in theory, but in reality, someone could break into your gun safe (e.g. non forced entry with key) or steal one of your guns from your closet, and you may not notice it for weeks or months. Culpability for a crime would be unreasonable.
 
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OuterBanksVol said:
Agree with all but 4, 5 6 and 9 (don't think feds need to micromanage state school safety procedures).
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If my family is on vacation and my home is broken into and gun safe is stolen from my house, You would be able to sue me if you got shot by a criminal that STOLE my property? Go bleep yourself
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
No one wants to look at the real issue here which isn't the guns but mental health. I think its because so many kids are on medication, including almost all female adults, they are too afraid to at the real problem because they will see their own reflection staring back at them.
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Not a lot of medicated female adults committing mass shootings. There must be a variable beyond just medication. (even though I agree that over medication is one key variable)
 
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sofflavol said:
If my family is on vacation and my home is broken into and gun safe is stolen from my house, You would be able to sue me if you got shot by a criminal that STOLE my property? Go bleep yourself
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That's how it works now. They don't care about the actual criminal, just the law abiding people. It's an easier target for them. They don't like to do anything that is hard.
 
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sofflavol said:
If my family is on vacation and my home is broken into and gun safe is stolen from my house, You would be able to sue me if you got shot by a criminal that STOLE my property? Go bleep yourself
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Dude, reread my post. I did NOT agree with #4,5,6 and 9.
 
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OuterBanksVol said:
Dude, reread my post. I did NOT agree with #4,5,6 and 9.
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No dude Im can agreeing with you, sorry it came off wrong reading. Kinda just speaking out what you had said about having a firearm stolen from your closet and not even knowing about it.
 
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luthervol said:
Easy enough fix. A gun must be reported as stolen within 48 hours. If not, and it's used in a crime, you are charged with a misdemeanor, 2nd offense would be a felony.
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Still dumb. What if I don't know it has been stolen? What if I'm out of town on business? What if I only use the firearm a couple times a year and don't realize it?

4-6 is just stupid.
 
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rjd970 said:
Still dumb. What if I don't know it has been stolen? What if I'm out of town on business? What if I only use the firearm a couple times a year and don't realize it?

4-6 is just stupid.
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I should have said 48 hours from when you realize it has been stolen. (6 months max.)

Which I guess would mean that people need to inventory their guns at least twice a year.
 
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SLICKYINC said:
4 isn't even a real thing.
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I don't know about that I was offered a gun at a gun show booth without a background check. They said they were selling a private collection from another person?? How does that work? Bigger than this issue is I can sell you my gun, you can pick it up today with no background check. Even if they did require the sale between us to be checked I could choose to break the law and sell you my gun.
 
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SLICKYINC said:
The backpedal is strong in this one.
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How stupid. You're going to claim backpedaling again? I forget that I cannot assume the application of common sense.

To be clear (no backpedaling - just breaking it down for the impaired) If you are on vacation and your guns are stolen, you are not responsible for clairvoyantly knowing of the theft. You will have 48 hours once you discover they're missing to report the theft.
 
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IPleadInsanity said:
I don't know about that I was offered a gun at a gun show booth without a background check. They said they were selling a private collection from another person?? How does that work? Bigger than this issue is I can sell you my gun, you can pick it up today with no background check. Even if they did require the sale between us to be checked I could choose to break the law and sell you my gun.
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He's correct in that there is no "gun show loophole" where the laws of firearms selling/purchasing somehow change when you walk through the doors of a gun show. Any sale that is legal/illegal outside is the same inside regarding federal law.
 
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IPleadInsanity said:
I don't know about that I was offered a gun at a gun show booth without a background check. They said they were selling a private collection from another person?? How does that work? Bigger than this issue is I can sell you my gun, you can pick it up today with no background check. Even if they did require the sale between us to be checked I could choose to break the law and sell you my gun.
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If you buy any weapon from a licensed FFL dealer at any point you’re gonna get checked. If you buy from an individual you most likely won’t.

If an individual is continually at gun shows and selling “personal collections” he is skirting the FFL licensing requirement, which ATF guys cruise gun shows looking for, and they will burn his ass when they catch him.
 
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luthervol said:
How stupid. You're going to claim backpedaling again? I forget that I cannot assume the application of common sense.

To be clear (no backpedaling - just breaking it down for the impaired) If you are on vacation and your guns are stolen, you are not responsible for clairvoyantly knowing of the theft. You will have 48 hours once you discover they're missing to report the theft.
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You backpedaled period. Common sense was posted several times after your dumb assed response and you figured since one of your own guys called out the "48 hour" rule you needed to save face.

In this stupid new law that you just proposed we would have 48 hours after we knew the gun was stolen. Now who in their right mind would say, I realized it was missing 5 days ago and just now told the authority?

Common sense ain't so common. You prove it with every post.
 
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Florida Teacher of the Year's gun violence post goes viral after school shooting | Fox News
FLVOL_79 said:
No one wants to look at the real issue here which isn't the guns but mental health. I think its because so many kids are on medication, including almost all female adults, they are too afraid to at the real problem because they will see their own reflection staring back at them.
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Florida Teacher of the Year's gun violence post goes viral after school shooting | Fox News
 
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lawgator1 said:
I would say:

4) Allow lawsuits against purchasers of guns that are stolen and then used to commit violence.
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why should legal gun holders be held accountable for a criminal that steals something and commits a criminal act
 
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Person to person as an individual sale does not require a background check.

That is what is commonly and incorrectly labeled "gun show loophole". So if you want to have background checks on all firearm sales you need to eliminate the person to person private party sale proviso.

Geez, liberals do you freakin' homework if you are so darn concerned.
 
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OuterBanksVol said:
Sounds good in theory, but in reality, someone could break into your gun safe (e.g. non forced entry with key) or steal one of your guns from your closet, and you may not notice it for weeks or months. Culpability for a crime would be unreasonable.
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you actually said something I agree with, must be the end times
 
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