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#776
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scvolfan7 said:
That’s why it is stupid to get mad at him. We’re at rock bottom. So long as it’s obvious the team is improving I don’t care about W/L until year 3 or so. Long road ahead but we can’t let negativity destroy what Pruitt is trying to build
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#777
#777
I'm looking forward to basketball more than football later this year. First time ever thinking it.
 
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#779
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jakez4ut said:
there's a lot here i agree with. i think it's fair to stay optimistic about the overall future though the immediate future still looks foggy at best.

the reality is butch wasn't getting it done, wasn't going to get it done, and change was made. i think at the point it happened, the vast majority knew that was the deal.....and what starting over with a new staff would mean. so that's where we are.

i don't think anyone saw the s**t storm that would ensue on the search, so that didn't help an already bad situation. at the end of the day, a lot of the core problems that have faced this program the last decade plus have at least been acknowledged, and attempted to be resolved.

i think TN fans, self included, are just gonna have to live with the fact there is no easy fix, it isn't going to come this season, and to get the right change that was needed, it's just going to take a little time. we are not in the same situation GA was in 3 years ago.

now, that timeline can get sped up if recruiting takes off in this cycle, and you build any momentum on the field headed in to next off season.

it's march. very early in the recruiting process, and we've not even started spring practice yet. so i don't think it's really prudent to bail out just yet. see what happens on the field, see what happens in December and February, and go from there. we really won't know where we are with this staff until we see what it looks like 3 years from now. you'll have results, recruits and a pretty good idea of what it could/should like from a roster standpoint by then. for now....all speculation and guesswork.

it sucks. but it is literally what it is at this point. it sucks worse that GA , Bama, Auburn, FL, aTm, USCe all seem to be ahead of the curve....but that can change pretty quick, and this staff didn't come here to be mediocre.

would be nice to have a couple of these big time recruits go ahead and pull the trigger though, and see if that doesn't help get some others that might be on the fence, lean our way down the stretch.

for all the talk of how great the visits are, how great the facilities are, and how great this new staff is, and how everyone is sure things will change under CJP....it still takes getting kids to actually come here than can make that change. and as long as they keep going to other schools, the rest really won't matter.
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But here's my point-- fans aren't going to turn their backs on UT, but support will dwindle in ways that matter. They let their season tickets go, stop going to games every week, cut back on donations, don't buy new apparel and don't care as much when the team loses. They invest less and less of their time, emotions and money. Negativity turns to apathy and that's much worse for long-term success.

Recruiting is impacted, too. Recruits and their coaches have heard the promises of a turnaround before and they're no longer taking it at face value. They want to wait and see if a first-time HC can deliver. That can slow the rebuild, which causes even more more fan and donor frustration. It's a vicious cycle and once you're in it, getting out is tough.
 
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LA Vol said:
But here's my point-- fans aren't going to turn their backs on UT, but support will dwindle in ways that matter. They let their season tickets go, stop going to games every week, cut back on donations, don't buy new apparel and don't care as much when the team loses. They invest less and less of their time, emotions and money. Negativity turns to apathy and that's much worse for long-term success.

Recruiting is impacted, too. Recruits and their coaches have heard the promises of a turnaround before and they're no longer taking it at face value. They want to wait and see if a first-time HC can deliver. That can slow the rebuild, which causes even more more fan and donor frustration. It's a vicious cycle and once you're in it, getting out is tough.
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I get what you’re saying, but none of that matters if we have the right coach. Only time will tell if that’s the case, but I’m not gonna waste my time worrying about him failing 4 months into the job.
 
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#784
#784
Sam Bradford....2 years, $40 million.



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#785
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scvolfan7 said:
💯💯💯I think we’re going to really like what we see. Might not win a lot in those first two years but year three we could start to see it come together
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He was talking about Pruitt, not Muschamp.

:):)
 
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#786
#786
I am optimistic Pruitt will get more out of this roster than a Butch Jones led staff.

Change in scheme alone. Remember Florida 1yd line ?
 
#787
#787
bignewt said:
Sam Bradford....2 years, $40 million.



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He hit the Powerball?
 
#788
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LaagerVol said:
I get what you’re saying, but none of that matters if we have the right coach. Only time will tell if that’s the case, but I’m not gonna waste my time worrying about him failing 4 months into the job.
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I don't understand why people can't see this.
 
#789
#789
Catbone said:
I'm looking forward to basketball more than football later this year. First time ever thinking it.
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For the first time, I feel as excited about VOLS basketball as football.

I think we really have a good x/o football coach, though. Certainly there are enough kids that have said he is the best coach they ever had.

He's got a good staff and he had a better recruiting class than Butch his first year. (If I'm not mistaken) I think people are panicking in March over not getting commitments. Lots of these guys he's going after are the kind who have many choices. I don't think Pruitt sells them snake oil either. We'll just have to wait and see.
 
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bignewt said:
If the Cardinals is the lotto then yes. I don't know if I have seen a more asinine contract in any sport ever.
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I saw somewhere that he has earned over $129 mil during his whole career. It really sucks for him with how many injuries he has had, but he has definitely hit the jackpot financially.
 
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bignewt said:
Sam Bradford....2 years, $40 million.



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The Cardinals are truly a stupid organization when it comes to quarterbacks. They give the Browns a run for their money tbh in that category. Almost every single Super Bowl Champion in the past 15 years drafted their QB. Some teams never learn. If you get your QB in free agency, he better be Peyton or Drew Brees caliber or you’ll never win it all.
 
#794
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NeverWe'llSever said:
The Cardinals are truly a stupid organization when it comes to quarterbacks. They give the Browns a run for their money tbh in that category. Almost every single Super Bowl Champion in the past 15 years drafted their QB. Some teams never learn. If you get your QB in free agency, it better be Peyton or Drew Brees.
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I thought Carson Palmer was pretty good for awhile there but yes they should have drafted one during those first few years.

Bradford has made more money without knees than any non-knee man in history props to him

Literally, he needs props to stand at this point.
 
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#795
#795
FieldGeneral59 said:
Could've had more to do with the diet plan the staff had them on. I wouldn't think of Kendrick as a person with a bad work ethic.
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This one might be partially on the staff, but this is mostly on Kendrick, IMO. The staff should have ensured he was eating right and getting his work in the weightroom done, but he should be doing that anyway.
 
#796
#796
LA Vol said:
But here's my point-- fans aren't going to turn their backs on UT, but support will dwindle in ways that matter. They let their season tickets go, stop going to games every week, cut back on donations, don't buy new apparel and don't care as much when the team loses. They invest less and less of their time, emotions and money. Negativity turns to apathy and that's much worse for long-term success.

Recruiting is impacted, too. Recruits and their coaches have heard the promises of a turnaround before and they're no longer taking it at face value. They want to wait and see if a first-time HC can deliver. That can slow the rebuild, which causes even more more fan and donor frustration. It's a vicious cycle and once you're in it, getting out is tough.
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no, i got it, and agree. in either case, whether taking your perspective, or my slant on it....it's still projecting the future.

and what they do the next 10-11 months both on the field and in recruiting will have a direct impact on the level of support, or what expectations really are/should be.

our expectations, or really, our standard, is based on the simple fact that we're Tennessee, and this program historically is a top program that has competed at championship levels throughout it's history.

other than that, just based on performance the last 10 years or so...there's zero reason we should "expect" to win, or compete, that kind of level. and the longer that goes on, to your point, the more apathetic fans/recruits get. heck we've already lost a generation. my kids have no clue that TN was ever THAT good unless i start telling stories. whereas from the time i was my kids' age, until i got married, we were always good, we won championships....that's all i knew from being a little kid until my mid 30's. from the time was 10 years old until i was 33, we won the SEC 5 times, and played for it 3 more times. never lost to KY. never lost to Vandy. always went to bowl games.

my kids may be close to adulthood before we get back to that regularly.

long story short....we're on the same page.:thumbsup:
 
#797
#797
LaagerVol said:
I get what you’re saying, but none of that matters if we have the right coach. Only time will tell if that’s the case, but I’m not gonna waste my time worrying about him failing 4 months into the job.
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agreed. and i don't think he's doing that necessarily. just commenting on what might yet come if things don't change for the positive, relatively quickly.
 
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NeverWe'llSever said:
The Cardinals are truly a stupid organization when it comes to quarterbacks. They give the Browns a run for their money tbh in that category. Almost every single Super Bowl Champion in the past 15 years drafted their QB. Some teams never learn. If you get your QB in free agency, he better be Peyton or Drew Brees caliber or you’ll never win it all.
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Palmer/Warner? Could do a lot worse
 
#799
#799
Glitch said:
VN: "OFFFFFF WITH HIS HEAD!!"

Ron: "We haven't even had a single practice."

VN: "Sentence first. Verdict afterwards."

Ron: "Don't you think Pruitt should get a small chance. Hmm?"

VN: "Fine. But if I we don't like spring practice..."
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Fire Pruitt, fire Fulmer, fire Barnes, fire Holly (OK), fire the Weeklys, fire the Provost, fire the equipment guy, fire the friggin Janitor for goodness sakes!!!!! When are these geniuses grow up??????????????
 
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