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midnight orange said:
The Australia Model for Gun Control Is Useless - Foundation for Economic Education - Working for a free and prosperous world

“A national gun confiscation scheme which reduced the civilian firearm stock by an astounding twenty percent and nobody can seem to find any clear evidence it caused a meaningful effect on the firearm murder rate? That’s not only embarrassing, it goes against everything they believe about the nature of the relationship between guns and murder rates.”
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Mmmmkkay... so, did you bother to check out who penned this masterpiece?

Corey Iacono

Corey Iacono is a student at the University of Rhode Island majoring in pharmaceutical science and minoring in economics.

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OuterBanksVol said:
Do you drive roughly the speed limit? Do you wear a seatbelt? Do you register your car? Pay Taxes? If yes, you already bend to the will of the government. As y'all like to say to me regarding Trump, "He's your President" whether I like it or not. Ditto to any new national gun regulations. They would be "your gun control laws" too. You're welcome to break them, but there would be potential consequences.

The Australian government banned automatic and semiautomatic firearms, adopted new licensing requirements, established a national firearms registry, and instituted a 28-day waiting period for gun purchases. It also bought and destroyed more than 600,000 civilian-owned firearms, in a scheme that cost half a billion dollars and was funded by raising taxes.

The number of mass shootings in Australia—defined as incidents in which a gunman killed five or more people other than himself, which is notably a higher casualty count than is generally applied for tallying mass shootings in the U.S.—dropped from 13 in the 18-year period before 1996 to zero after the Port Arthur massacre. Between 1995 and 2006, gun-related homicides and suicides in the country dropped by 59 percent and 65 percent, respectively, though these declines appear to have since leveled off. Two academics who have studied the impact of the reform initiative estimate that the gun-buyback program saves at least 200 lives each year, according to The New York Times.
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Part of the reason this “lives saved” number isn’t terribly high is that the suicide rate didn’t drop. Gun suicides went down while hanging suicides nearly doubled. Even with the ban Australia is around 12 per 100k while the gun soaked US is at 13.

The homicide rate was already dropping prior to the change, by 1995 it was down almost 50% since 1980. Since the ban it’s continued to trend downward, but not at any rate that would clearly point to a single cause. As with suicides the weapon has been replaced, knife being the top choice.
 
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OuterBanksVol said:
Mmmmkkay... so, did you bother to check out who penned this masterpiece? :hi:

Corey Iacono

Corey Iacono is a student at the University of Rhode Island majoring in pharmaceutical science and minoring in economics.
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Weak ass ad hominem added to the earlier non sequitor?

“Holy **** I have no answer to article?! Quick, attack the publisher with no basis for doing so!! Yes!”
 
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Mick said:
I figured out why some of you don't want to expand the background check system to include mental health.

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Anyone who posts a Bennett cartoon should likewise be examined.
 
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luthervol said:
Of course I have. I have broken it myself a time or two. What point is that supposed to make? That has absolutely no relevance.
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That you have a choice. You chose on occasion to break the law (no different than many in this country including myself)

The limit or law doesn't remove the choice in cars or guns.
 
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BeecherVol said:
That you have a choice. You chose on occasion to break the law (no different than many in this country including myself)

The limit or law doesn't remove the choice in cars or guns.
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Not seeing the point. Are you saying we should not have speed limits?
 
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OuterBanksVol said:
Probably none unless you're blatant about possession, or if the cops search your home for some other reason and come across an illegal gun.
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Then what will be the consequences?

Ever hear of civil disobedience?

This would be massive.

Our courts and prisons couldn't handle it, if any arrests/prosecutions were made.
 
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I just like to point out these disingenuous lefty arguments. They can’t even back up the crap they spew. The thing is, it wouldn’t matter if the death rate from firearms increased because firearm confiscation would still be a violation of natural rights. Those who trade liberty for security will have neither.
 
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hog88 said:
Did the kids forfeit their rights?
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DancingOutlaw said:
I missed the part of due process where they come burn your house down with women and kids inside.
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Grand Vol said:
There was a way different way of going through that.

Sorry, not going to fly when the ATF and FBI burn a bunch of people alive.
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Look, I'm no fan of the ATF either, its a worthless organization. But I'm so sick of hearing this utter BS. They were given 51 days to come out. 51 days to send the kids out. 51 F'ing days.

The FBI then tear gassed. It's unclear, at best, who actually started the fires. The FBI and ATF certainly didn't do it on purpose, and bugged recordings inside indicate the Davidians did themselves. This has also been confirmed by investigators after the fact that accelerant was used at all locations where the fires were. Koresh and his followers wanted to be martyrs, and were going to be, no matter what. The child abuse can continue indefinitely, or something can be done about it. People burning alive inside is on the brainwashed followers and Koresh himself, not the government.

When kids are involved, second amendment and God take a backseat.
 
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luthervol said:
Of course I have. I have broken it myself a time or two. What point is that supposed to make? That has absolutely no relevance.
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Your speeding example is a poor one at best. When you speed through a school zone you are endangering others. Me owning an AR-15 or hell even an M-60 isn't putting anyone else in danger.
 
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rjd970 said:
Look, I'm no fan of the ATF either, its a worthless organization. But I'm so sick of hearing this utter BS. They were given 51 days to come out. 51 days to send the kids out. 51 F'ing days.

The FBI then tear gassed. It's unclear, at best, who actually started the fires. The FBI and ATF certainly didn't do it on purpose, and bugged recordings inside indicate the Davidians did themselves. This has also been confirmed by investigators after the fact that accelerant was used at all locations where the fires were. Koresh and his followers wanted to be martyrs, and were going to be, no matter what. The child abuse can continue indefinitely, or something can be done about it. People burning alive inside is on the brainwashed followers and Koresh himself, not the government.

When kids are involved, rights are lost.
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It was a stupid bungled operation that ended badly. Neither side is without blame. Our government should have and could have done better. I was no fan of Janet Reno but at least she stepped up and took responsibility for this fiasco.
 
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rjd970 said:
Look, I'm no fan of the ATF either, its a worthless organization. But I'm so sick of hearing this utter BS. They were given 51 days to come out. 51 days to send the kids out. 51 F'ing days.

The FBI then tear gassed. It's unclear, at best, who actually started the fires. The FBI and ATF certainly didn't do it on purpose, and bugged recordings inside indicate the Davidians did themselves. This has also been confirmed by investigators after the fact that accelerant was used at all locations where the fires were. Koresh and his followers wanted to be martyrs, and were going to be, no matter what. The child abuse can continue indefinitely, or something can be done about it. People burning alive inside is on the brainwashed followers and Koresh himself, not the government.

When kids are involved, second amendment and God take a backseat.
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They were given 51 days, what would another 151 days have mattered? No way to spin it, they shouldn't have forced the issue.
 
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Grand Vol said:
I'm as pro cop as they come. And I think certain areas shouldn't have speed limits.
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I agree with that. But not in school zones, neighborhoods, cities, or on heavily traveled roads. Some roads need speed restrictions more than others, even though they are all roads. Some speed restrictions need to be monitored and enforced more than others, kind of like other things being discussed. Just use the rational and reasonable test.
 
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37L1 said:
It was a stupid bungled operation that ended badly. Neither side is without blame. Our government should have and could have done better. I was no fan of Janet Reno but at least she stepped up and took responsibility for this fiasco.
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I would be a lot more open to the other side on this if it were just a bunch of crazies minding their own business with Bibles and guns. But the child abuse demands action. 51 days shows incredible constraint under those circumstances. If anything, the government was trying to protect the rights of those children, not infringe upon them. The cult members killed those children, not the government.
 
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