Mass shooting of the week, high school in parkland, FL.

[Bjorn_Yesterday]

Here’s the context. He’s responding to someone mentioning a ban on at 15s. And then he says it would’ve saved these people. Surely, you’re not also dumb enough to believe that?

Ban on semi-automatic rifles and high-capacity magazines = less availability = higher black market value = less availability for disturbed teenagers who can barely hold down a job at Burger King.

Surely your not also dumb enough to miss this econ 101 lesson.

 

[SLICKYINC]

What are we going to do about all the child murder and why does our country suffer mass shootings more than other developed countries?

Genuine question. I am a gun owner but am beyond sick of incidents like this. Not willing to give up my hunting rifles, shotguns or home protection, but I really don't see a ****ing point in making semi-automatic tactical rifles available to the public.

You seem to have gotten a lot of bull**** responses to this question. You CAN hunt with an AR15, but most people don't hunt with an AR15.

I own one that I use to kill coyotes (rarely) but I don't necessarily feel like I should have the RIGHT to own one. They're stupid. It wouldn't hurt my feelings if they were outlawed.

Show me where I called someone stupid for owning one.

You're right. You said the gun was stupid. But everything you said in these previous posts make me wonder about your mental stability.

You really should turn in ALL of your guns and seek professional help.

 

[DEFENDTHISHOUSE]

Ban on semi-automatic rifles and high-capacity magazines = less availability = higher black market value = less availability for disturbed teenagers who can barely hold down a job at Burger King.

Surely your not also dumb enough to miss this econ 101 lesson.

Do you have any idea how many ar15’s are out there? Most of the major components, including the magazine, can now be 3D printed.

 

[Orangedogsrule]

Because the whole is always greater than the sum of its parts.

Question 2 for you. What is the least deadly weapon that should be illegal for a person to purchase?

A butterknife

 

[volglass]

Here’s the context. He’s responding to someone mentioning a ban on at 15s. And then he says it would’ve saved these people. Surely, you’re not also dumb enough to believe that?

Let me clarify and say that the incident would not have occurred the way it did if ARs were banned. It’s my belief that even if a mass shooting occurred there would have been less casualties with another weapon.

Since I think I saw you were a coach and a teacher, have you seen “loser” students as you call them and gotten them mental help or aid?

Also, in the last thread I believe you said you own one of these firearms is that correct?

 

[Vol8188]

Ban on semi-automatic rifles and high-capacity magazines = less availability = higher black market value = less availability for disturbed teenagers who can barely hold down a job at Burger King.

Surely your not also dumb enough to miss this econ 101 lesson.

An ar already costs a decent amount compared to most fire arms. If these teenagers can afford that, they can 100% afford a different weapon if your bans were to go through. So to claim these will save lives is an absurd claim. Anyone committed enough to commit mass murder, will simply pick a different weapon if they can’t find an assault rifle.

And changing magazines takes a second, tops. More legislation that wouldn’t change anything.

 

[GroverCleveland]

I have no clue. Should I state again that I proudly know almost nothing about guns.

I'm asking you gun experts because I obviously don't know. don't deflect in order to avoid the question.

IN YOUR OPINION, WHAT SHOULD BE THE MOST DEADLY WEAPON THAT CAN BE LEGALLY PURCHASED AND WHAT SHOULD BE THE LEAST DEADLY WEAPON THAT SHOULD BE ILLEGAL TO PURCHASE....AND WHY?

You guys are the experts, obviously I'm not.

I'll bite. Most deadly: full automatics, H&K MP5, UZI, Thompson .45, etc., 105mm howitzer, etc. All with proper licensing of course.

Least deadly that should be illegal: mines, battleships, nukes, TOW and Harpoon missiles, probably a few others...

 

[Vol8188]

Let me clarify and say that the incident would not have occurred the way it did if ARs were banned. It’s my belief that even if a mass shooting occurred there would have been less casualties with another weapon.

Since I think I saw you were a coach and a teacher, have you seen “loser” students as you call them and gotten them mental help or aid?

Also, in the last thread I believe you said you own one of these firearms is that correct?

Why would a different weapon resulted in less casualties?

 

[Bjorn_Yesterday]

You're right. You said the gun was stupid. But everything you said in these previous posts make me wonder about your mental stability.

You really should turn in ALL of your guns and seek professional help.

You fabricate important pieces of conversations and then worry about my mental stability. Hilarious. You're exactly the kind of person who should be barred from owning firearms.

 

[volglass]

Why would a different weapon resulted in less casualties?

I prefer you answer my question before asking another. That is how people share ideas

 

[Orangedogsrule]

Clearly, we need to line school walls with trebuchets, ballistas, hot oil, and archers while placing a moat around the schools.

The political nonsense exists because we live in an oligopoly disguised as democracy.

If you’re a hunter and you use anything with a magazine you should be ashamed of yourself. It’s down right pathetic.

Phuuut! Get yourself caught in a pack of wild hogs and you'd wish you had full auto.

 

[Vol8188]

I prefer you answer my question before asking another. That is how people share ideas

Probably because your questions are stupid. The firearms I personally own have no relevance to the conversation. I own multiple firearms. Shotguns, rifles, handguns.

As to your other question: it was attempt to pretend I had made some horrible statement about students. I said our system needs to create less losers. If you don’t believe there’s winners and losers in every system, you’re lying to yourself. Have I ever referred a student to a guidance counselor, of course.

Your turn. Why would a different weapon have resulted in less casualties.

 

[GroverCleveland]

I'm only looking for where you would draw the line and why. I've gladly stated multiple times where I would draw some lines.

But LV, with due respect, you have also stated a few times you know absolutely nothing about the very products you also propose to regulate. I am guilty of responding with some smartass answers to some of your posts, but what you, and a lot of very well meaning people do, is akin to, probably, you telling me how to change the saw cylinder on a Lummus Imperial 88 gin stand.

None of us on this board want another child to die at school. A large portion of us do not want to have our 2nd Amendment rights trampled by people who do not know what they are talking about.

I do believe, whatever the cause, our problem is we have wolves among us of a different form than we have faced. And defanging all of our pets is not going to stop them.

 

[Bjorn_Yesterday]

An ar already costs a decent amount compared to most fire arms. If these teenagers can afford that, they can 100% afford a different weapon if your bans were to go through. So to claim these will save lives is an absurd claim. Anyone committed enough to commit mass murder, will simply pick a different weapon if they can’t find an assault rifle.

And changing magazines takes a second, tops. More legislation that wouldn’t change anything.

Criminalizing them would've probably kept Adam Lanza's mom from hoarding them. Would've probably priced James Holmes out of one and the Cruz kid out of one, would've meant that Devin Kelley could not have purchased one from Academy Sports, and would've had minimal effect on you and me.

I agree with you that we need to take a look at alienation and mental health in young adults. That is not nearly enough, though. Many of these killers were seeking treatment for mental health issues, but because they were not committed to mental hospitals at any point, were still allowed to purchase firearms. That is absurd.

We need to look at comprehensive reform here. That has been my point in this thread.

 

[hog88]

Sounds like you like waking up, turning on the news, and hearing about dead kids.

I prefer watching your hissy fits.

 

[GroverCleveland]

Who flipping cares.

You seem to distinguish a difference...

 

[oz615]

Tucker Carlson says it best IMHO

Tucker: Psychiatric Drugs, Social Alienation, Broken Families, War On Men More Relevant Than Gun Control

Be cause WHY are these shooter are almost exclusively male?

also why is the educational system are apathetic to boys needs for the last two decades?

That specific type of question is never brought up after an something like this happens.

 

[Bjorn_Yesterday]

I prefer watching your hissy fits.

I'd rather throw a "hissy fit" than take it in stride the way you do. Some things are worth being mad about. I would consider a constant barrage of dead kids one of them...

 

[Vol8188]

Criminalizing them would've probably kept Adam Lanza's mom from hoarding them. Would've probably priced James Holmes out of one and the Cruz kid out of one, would've meant that Devin Kelley could not have purchased one from Academy Sports, and would've had minimal effect on you and me.

I agree with you that we need to take a look at alienation and mental health in young adults. That is not nearly enough, though. Many of these killers were seeking treatment for mental health issues, but because they were not committed to mental hospitals at any point, were still allowed to purchase firearms. That is absurd.

We need to look at comprehensive reform here. That has been my point in this thread.

I never mentioned taking a look at mental health. I don’t see much value in it. Each of those people you mentioned required significant funds to purchase an ar (assuming they all used one, I’ll take your word for it).

Ars are not cheap. If these people could afford an ar and you ban ars, they can afford countless other weapons. It won’t change anything.

 

[SLICKYINC]

You fabricate important pieces of conversations and then worry about my mental stability. Hilarious. You're exactly the kind of person who should be barred from owning firearms.

You literally just said most people don't hunt with ARs and then said you do. You have schizophrenia tendencies.

 

[norrislakevol]

Ban on semi-automatic rifles and high-capacity magazines = less availability = higher black market value = less availability for disturbed teenagers who can barely hold down a job at Burger King.

Surely your not also dumb enough to miss this econ 101 lesson.

You are absolutely wrong, 100 percent wrong.

Gun runners sell their stuff pretty darn cheap. Back in the day you could get A FULL AUTO A2 M16 for about 400 dollars, a hand grenade for about 100 dollars and a glock for about $150. These were far cheaper than the legal versions back then. Gun runners want to move their product quickly so they won't get caught with it. That means it is cheaper.

 

[Vol8188]

Tucker Carlson says it best IMHO

Tucker: Psychiatric Drugs, Social Alienation, Broken Families, War On Men More Relevant Than Gun Control

Be cause WHY are these shooter are almost exclusively male?

also why is the educational system are apathetic to boys needs for the last two decades?

Education has been failing young men for a long time. But it’s never politically correct to talk about the issues men face. Instead I have to go to lectures about how to get young girls (who have higher gpas and are less likely to drop out) interested in STEM

 

[Bjorn_Yesterday]

You literally just said most people don't hunt with ARs and then said you do. You have schizophrenia tendencies.

Your going to characterize me shooting at coyotes with an AR as hunting? And no, most people do not hunt with ARs. You have to be aware of that. Stop being stupid.

 

[Bjorn_Yesterday]

You are absolutely wrong, 100 percent wrong.

Gun runners sell their stuff pretty darn cheap. Back in the day you could get A FULL AUTO A2 M16 for about 400 dollars, a hand grenade for about 100 dollars and a glock for about $150. These were far cheaper than the legal versions back then. Gun runners want to move their product quickly so they won't get caught with it. That means it is cheaper.

What makes them cheap? Incredible availability.

 

[Bjorn_Yesterday]

I never mentioned taking a look at mental health. I don’t see much value in it. Each of those people you mentioned required significant funds to purchase an ar (assuming they all used one, I’ll take your word for it).

Ars are not cheap. If these people could afford an ar and you ban ars, they can afford countless other weapons. It won’t change anything.

How do you not? If so many of these mass murderers were seeing therapists and psychiatrists. Ridiculous.