Mass shooting of the week, high school in parkland, FL.

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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Who are you to decide what is reasonable for someone else? The point I was trying to make is a gun is nothing more than a tool. It’s there if we need it. Most folks who have a concealed weapon license are some of the most law abiding people in this country. In fact, I’d say that a lot of us are assets to society, as a whole. We’re there to help when a situation arises to protect the liabilities in society, like you....

We always hear about how many lives a person with a gun takes. What we NEVER hear about is the lives someone with a gun saves daily, just by being there....
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Who am I? A member of the society in which I live. Societies have always and will always decide what is reasonable.

Did I ever say anything about a licensed carrier of a handgun? Did I ever say anything about taking away that right? Did I ever say anything implying that it was negative in any way?

You guys are blinded by the gross misconception that people who are for increased gun regulations are somehow attempting to take your right to have a gun, carry a gun, buy a gun, and/or protect yourselves away.
 
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luthervol said:
Who am I? A member of the society in which I live. Societies have always and will always decide what is reasonable.

Did I ever say anything about a licensed carrier of a handgun? Did I ever say anything about taking away that right? Did I ever say anything implying that it was negative in any way?

You guys are blinded by the gross misconception that people who are for increased gun regulations are somehow attempting to take your right to have a gun, carry a gun, buy a gun, and/or protect yourselves away.
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Laws and regulations only hurt the law abiding. Criminals DO NOT FOLLOW THE LAW!
 
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luthervol said:
Who am I? A member of the society in which I live. Societies have always and will always decide what is reasonable.

Did I ever say anything about a licensed carrier of a handgun? Did I ever say anything about taking away that right? Did I ever say anything implying that it was negative in any way?

You guys are blinded by the gross misconception that people who are for increased gun regulations are somehow attempting to take your right to have a gun, carry a gun, buy a gun, and/or protect yourselves away.
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If you are not trying to do any of that why do you want to further limit what I can buy, how much I can buy and who I can buy from?
 
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luthervol said:
Did I ever say anything about taking away that right?
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You did last night...

luthervol said:
Off the cuff, I would say ban everything but basic hunting rifles and shotguns. Maybe have some special process that is very well regulated where people can get a handgun. I would ban anything that has the capability of firing multiple rounds in a short period of time. I would put a limit on the number of guns that could be purchased in a given time frame. I know nothing about ammunition, but anything that can penetrate armor should probably be banned. Anything designed to cause great damage to the body (and is not legitimately used for hunting) should probably be banned.
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luthervol said:
Who am I? A member of the society in which I live. Societies have always and will always decide what is reasonable.

Did I ever say anything about a licensed carrier of a handgun? Did I ever say anything about taking away that right? Did I ever say anything implying that it was negative in any way?

You guys are blinded by the gross misconception that people who are for increased gun regulations are somehow attempting to take your right to have a gun, carry a gun, buy a gun, and/or protect yourselves away.
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So you don’t want to limit the number of people owning and carrying guns?
 
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Grand Vol said:
Perhaps you should have been more clear in your initial post. We took you up on your offer, now you want to crawfish your way out of it.

See what happens when you leave things open for interpretation?
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You're stooping to OV levels now. How is my comment that I would be willing to contribute a $1000 not clear? My comment was in reference to the discussion of a gun buy back program and how it would be funded. How you guys mistook the comment and subsequently ran with it was fascinating and indicative.
 
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luthervol said:
You're stooping to OV levels now. How is my comment that I would be willing to contribute a $1000 not clear? My comment was in reference to the discussion of a gun buy back program and how it would be funded. How you guys mistook the comment and subsequently ran with it was fascinating and indicative.
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Okay, regardless, you send me $1,000 and I'll turn in a firearm.

Deal?
 
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luthervol said:
You're stooping to OV levels now. How is my comment that I would be willing to contribute a $1000 not clear? My comment was in reference to the discussion of a gun buy back program and how it would be funded. How you guys mistook the comment and subsequently ran with it was fascinating and indicative.
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Actually it’s just more of an indictment on just how many of us realize you have absolutely no damn clue on the topic you are desperately trying to sound intelligent in debating and just getting utterly shut down in post after post of yours.
 
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It's time to bring back the assault weapons ban, gun violence experts say

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wa...assault-weapons-ban-gun-violence-experts-say/

...Klarevas says that the key provision of the assault weapons bill was a ban on high-capacity magazines capable of holding more than 10 rounds. “We have found that when large capacity mags are regulated, you get drastic drops in both the incidence of gun massacres and the fatality rate of gun massacres.”

The opinion is shared among many researchers who study gun violence for a living. In 2016, for instance, the New York Times asked 32 gun policy experts to rate the effectiveness of a variety of policy changes to prevent mass shootings. The roster of experts included violence prevention researchers like Harvard's David Hemenway, as well as more ideologically driven gun rights advocates like John Lott.

On a scale of effectiveness ranging from 1 (not effective) to 10 (highly effective), the expert panel gave an average score of 6.8 to both an assault weapons ban and a ban on high-capacity magazines, the highest ratings among the nearly 30 policies surveyed.

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hndog609 said:
The idea that there aren't "people" in the gun regulation camp that aren't absolutely behind the kinds of things he cited, to one degree or another, is so catastrophically absent honesty it's hard not to consider it an outright lie.
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I'll give luther credit for being point blank on his objectives and not hiding his motives. I can respect it even if I don't agree with it. It's far better than the "frog in the pot of water" theory most politicians push for.

I just wish he'd actually do a little research on the subject to find out exactly what's on the books already as opposed to just talking out his backside.
 
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OuterBanksVol said:
It's time to bring back the assault weapons ban, gun violence experts say

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wa...assault-weapons-ban-gun-violence-experts-say/

...Klarevas says that the key provision of the assault weapons bill was a ban on high-capacity magazines capable of holding more than 10 rounds. “We have found that when large capacity mags are regulated, you get drastic drops in both the incidence of gun massacres and the fatality rate of gun massacres.”

The opinion is shared among many researchers who study gun violence for a living. In 2016, for instance, the New York Times asked 32 gun policy experts to rate the effectiveness of a variety of policy changes to prevent mass shootings. The roster of experts included violence prevention researchers like Harvard's David Hemenway, as well as more ideologically driven gun rights advocates like John Lott.

On a scale of effectiveness ranging from 1 (not effective) to 10 (highly effective), the expert panel gave an average score of 6.8 to both an assault weapons ban and a ban on high-capacity magazines, the highest ratings among the nearly 30 policies surveyed.

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Can you tell me what makes the weapon in the first picture less deadly than the second? First picture is from the assault weapon ban time. Second is post ban.

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OuterBanksVol said:
It's time to bring back the assault weapons ban, gun violence experts say

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wa...assault-weapons-ban-gun-violence-experts-say/

...Klarevas says that the key provision of the assault weapons bill was a ban on high-capacity magazines capable of holding more than 10 rounds. “We have found that when large capacity mags are regulated, you get drastic drops in both the incidence of gun massacres and the fatality rate of gun massacres.”

The opinion is shared among many researchers who study gun violence for a living. In 2016, for instance, the New York Times asked 32 gun policy experts to rate the effectiveness of a variety of policy changes to prevent mass shootings. The roster of experts included violence prevention researchers like Harvard's David Hemenway, as well as more ideologically driven gun rights advocates like John Lott.

On a scale of effectiveness ranging from 1 (not effective) to 10 (highly effective), the expert panel gave an average score of 6.8 to both an assault weapons ban and a ban on high-capacity magazines, the highest ratings among the nearly 30 policies surveyed.

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You realize “assault weapons” and their components still existed during the ban, right? You could buy all the pre ban stuff your little heart could afford.
 
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hog88 said:
Can you tell me what makes the weapon in the first picture less deadly than the second? First picture is from the assault weapon ban time. Second is post ban.
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Actually, I'd like to hear one of our gun control proponents argue the criteria that was used in the 94 AWB.
 
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hog88 said:
Can you tell me what makes the weapon in the first picture less deadly than the second? First picture is from the assault weapon ban time. Second is post ban.

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I saw your jerk post before the Mods pulled it, Hog.

The key word here is "EXPERTS". You and i can banter all day long, but when you view this debate under this prism, it's all that matters.

It's time to bring back the assault weapons ban, gun violence experts say
 
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Grand Vol said:
I just wish he'd actually do a little research on the subject to find out exactly what's on the books already as opposed to just talking out his backside.
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I think one of the problems is that when it comes to firearms the know something/utterly clueless gap is huge. I've read (as I'm sure you have also) things posited by people that know less about firearm related realities than I do about M-theory. The difference is I don't run around pretending I'm Edward Witten.
 
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hog88 said:
Can you tell me what makes the weapon in the first picture less deadly than the second? First picture is from the assault weapon ban time. Second is post ban.

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The second one has a death star laser, infinite magazine capacity, fully convertible bayonet assembly, and a built in RPG.

Oh, and it’s black. Color is very important when determining how dangerous a firearm is.
 
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OuterBanksVol said:
I saw your jerk post before the Mods pulled it, Hog.

The key word here is "EXPERTS". You and i can banter all day long, but when you view this debate under this prism, it's all that matters.

It's time to bring back the assault weapons ban, gun violence experts say
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I’d be cautious of anyone calling themselves experts on anything.
 
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OuterBanksVol said:
I saw your jerk post before the Mods pulled it, Hog.

The key word here is "EXPERTS". You and i can banter all day long, but when you view this debate under this prism, it's all that matters.

It's time to bring back the assault weapons ban, gun violence experts say
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A simple " I don't know" would have worked
 
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OuterBanksVol said:
I saw your jerk post before the Mods pulled it, Hog.

The key word here is "EXPERTS". You and i can banter all day long, but when you view this debate under this prism, it's all that matters.

It's time to bring back the assault weapons ban, gun violence experts say
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I would consider myself close to if not an expert on the use of these weapons, GV is undoubtedly an expert on their mechanics.

So since you quoted "experts" why don't you answer my question?

It wasn't a jerk comment.
 
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