Mass shooting of the week, high school in parkland, FL.

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BigOrangeMojo said:
And that is why we will never have reasonable gun control. Neither party wants it. It's an emotional issue with way too much $$$ tied up in it (for both sides).
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I'll just add this here. This kid was mentally ill and had been receiving treatments or attempted treatments since early childhood. I don't believe in crazy people owning or having access to guns.
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
Legislation isn't the goal...$$$$ from special interests is the goal. If you couldn't get major gun control passed during Obama's tenure (with a filibuster proof majority in the Senate), then it's never going to happen....
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That $$$ thing works on both sides of the equation.
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
And that is why we will never have reasonable gun control. Neither party wants it. It's an emotional issue with way too much $$$ tied up in it (for both sides).
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Some of us feel we have far too many restrictions now. We have what you might call “reasonable gun control” plenty of laws on the books already.

There’s one bugaboo, criminals and those intent to commit mass murder usually don’t follow the law.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Some of us feel we have far too many restrictions now. We have what you might call “reasonable gun control” plenty of laws on the books already.

There’s one bugaboo, criminals and those intent to commit mass murder usually don’t follow the law.
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This guy legally bought his so that is a fools statement on why nothing should be done.
 
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Mick said:
If you required registration the sales could be monitored. That doesn't encroach on the second.

Not really in favor of a hefty ammo tax either. Clip capacity is another thing that could be regulated and taxed.

Under the current laws the mentally ill have to have shown violent behavior and gun ownership rights would have to be revoked by the court.
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Okay, let's limit clips to 8 rounds.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Some of us feel we have far too many restrictions now. We have what you might call “reasonable gun control” plenty of laws on the books already.

There’s one bugaboo, criminals and those intent to commit mass murder usually don’t follow the law.
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What you might call "Reasonable gun control" isn't working. Again, there's blame on both sides as both the R's and D's are much more interested in the campaign cash (based on their stance) than actually solving the gun problem we have in this country.
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
Many many people put scopes on shotguns for the purposes of hunting. Ignorance is bliss I guess.
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I guess if you're using slugs, by why not just use a rifle? He had a 30.06 so why would you want to use a shotgun with a scope. Unless he meant a red dot sight.
 
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The issue is the individual and the individual's actions. Period. The manner in which the act was carried out is irrelevant to the act itself.

We need to address the issue which is lonely and woefully impaired people who are incapable of an outlet, in their minds, other than killing as many innocent people as they can. They want the pain and emotional turmoil to be felt by others.

Aside from the individual, what about the parents? They are a factor in the violence, just as the guns used were. They play a part in why and how this individual was what he was, to an extent. Because why, ultimately the individual will do what they will regardless of whether or not the parents were involved and caring and normal human beings. Aside from calling the police on their son, they are just another factor in this atrocity, maybe blame can be assigned, maybe not, but, the individual is solely responsible for his/her actions.

Sometimes, we as a people need to understand there is nothing other than the simplicity in understanding that there are some humans who just are wired wrong, incapable of processing life and compartmentalizing emotions and actions, and no matter what aside from institutionalizing or killing them will stop them from bringing their hate and disdain for just life, and being born, onto others. If there is treatment great, but, we need to get these types to that treatment by trying to figure out who is a candidate for such an act well before the signs appear.

Let's try and keep the opinions and responses on anything other than name calling guys. I know emotions run high, but, let's try and discuss opinions in just that matter, as that is what they are. Let's try and just tolerate one another at least.
 
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Grand Vol said:
That $$$ thing works on both sides of the equation.
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You are 100% correct. The Dems have just as much blood on their hands as the NRA since they were much more interested in campaign cash than solving our gun problem when they had a chance in 2009 - 2010 with full filibuster control of all 3 branches.
 
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Mick said:
This guy legally bought his so that is a fools statement on why nothing should be done.
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Correct! He LEGALLY bought it. What good did your background check do? What good did any of the laws on the books do? The only thing that will stop those intent on mass murder is to hit them with equal force.
 
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Mick said:
This guy legally bought his so that is a fools statement on why nothing should be done.
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Mick, it is delusion to think something can be done to prevent corrupted people from committing heinous acts.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Okay, but your correlation is 1+1= purple. If gun ownership directly links to how often these happen, shouldn't we be seeing it happen in other nations? Albeit at a reduced rate, but it should be happening, no?
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My point is that the sheer amount and availability of guns in this country is one part of the problem. Issues like this are seldom as simple as 1+1=2. Lots of variables.
 
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McDad said:
Mick, it is delusion to think something can be done to prevent corrupted people from committing heinous acts.
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It's delusional to think nothing can be done and we are helpless to help prevent such things and cannot save any lives.
 
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Mick said:
Are you being serious right now about something that might help? If so something between 5 and 10 would be agreeable for new magazine sales.
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Ohhhhhhh, you're talking magazines.

You said clip, so I thought you actually knew the correct terms to use.
 
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hog88 said:
For a lot of these kids it's the simple fact that their parents have shielded them from disappointment while young. Then instead of discipline they choose medication, so when the kid gets old enough to where mommy and daddy can't shield them from life they snap.
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hog88 said:
Yes, we began druging our kids instead of disciplining them. The helicopter parent phenomenon began along with participation trophy’s. We stopped preparing our kids for the kick in the nuts life can be. That along with normalizing mental illnesses to the point it is used as an excuse for people who are not mentally ill being ****heads.
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Grand Vol said:
Let's hear it.
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I absolutely think there needs to be a study on the correlation between ADD/similar drugs and these instances. Also they should include the backgrounds of these killers comparing such things as past history with their parents, teachers ext and in laymen's terms how much they were coddled and shielded as kids.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
Again, I will ask what is the difference between other first world countries that don't have several school shootings per month and the USA? The big difference seems to be the access to guns and gun ownership per capita.
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Nope. We lead the world in anti-depressant prescriptions. Lets start there.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
My point is not to ban guns. I believe that to be a fool's errand. However, there needs to be an honest f#cking discussion in this country. Guns are one part of the problem and they must be part of the discussion. As many have alluded to... mental health is also part of the problem. The discussion must be had. I am sick and tired of people stating that mass shootings are essentially an insignificant portion of deaths in this country. It is time to face this problem.
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I love the broad and overused narrative.

Is this akin to the “honest” race discussion where the argument where white people are bad and everyone else is good? Lmao
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
I'll just add this here. This kid was mentally ill and had been receiving treatments or attempted treatments since early childhood. I don't believe in crazy people owning or having access to guns.
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Saw this after I posted and here is what needs to be discussed. The situation and the individual and why and how it gets to this.

What types of therapy and meds and how long was the individual in therapy? Why didn't it work, what could have or should have been done?

At what point, if any, should the talk be about limiting the civil rights of someone unbalanced and unfit for society versus the rights of society itself?

Who will get to decide when someone is a danger, and who will take responsibility for inaction when danger is apparent and not acted upon? We need to get politicians out of this, and have the medical community say what they think is best and needs to happen. Then start to work from there.

Politicians only care about this issue when it happens, then they are back to their agenda's (for fu*** sake just look at the political threads and see all the other crap they are concerned with) and doing nothing to solve these issues, other than bring them up when they have an agenda on either side of the aisle.
 
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