D4H's 2017 NFL Draft Review (Best Picks, Best Drafts, and Predictions)

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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Funny how when a black QB scrambles it's not QB skills however when a white QB like Aaron Rodgers does it, it's what make him the best of all time.

Scrambling and making plays when there is nothing there is a QB skill. It's what separates the good from the great ala Aaron Rodgers.
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You're really going to try to play a 'race card' since you have no real argument?
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Funny how when a black QB scrambles it's not QB skills however when a white QB like Aaron Rodgers does it, it's what make him the best of all time.

Scrambling and making plays when there is nothing there is a QB skill. It's what separates the good from the great ala Aaron Rodgers.
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What about you’re lazy ass comparison of Watson to VY and RG3 all black quarterbacks the same huh lol

Watson threw 20 touchdowns in less than half a season and in 7 games had as many three passing touchdown games as any rookie ever has in a full season

Yet he’s not gonna be sustainable for longer the a year. Going by those rookie numbers he’s more likely to win those mvps you think Dobbs will then be a one year wonder
 
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BIG BOI 23 said:
What about you’re lazy ass comparison of Watson to VY and RG3 all black quarterbacks the same huh lol

Watson threw 20 touchdowns in less than half a season and in 7 games had as many three passing touchdown games as any rookie ever has in a full season

Yet he’s not gonna be sustainable for longer the a year. Going by those rookie numbers he’s more likely to win those mvps you think Dobbs will then be a one year wonder
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I'm sure you thought RG3 was also gonna win MVPs as a rookie while you probably didn't think Aaron Rodgers would amount to much after his rookie year.

Rookie years are rarely indicative of how a players career goes. Especially at QB.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
I'm sure you thought RG3 was also gonna win MVPs as a rookie while you probably didn't think Aaron Rodgers would amount to much after his rookie year.

Rookie years are rarely indicative of how a players career goes. Especially at QB.
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Kinda true, but depends on the system you play in. RG3’s was gimmicky as hell. I think Watson’s success is a lot more sustainable
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
I'm sure you thought RG3 was also gonna win MVPs as a rookie while you probably didn't think Aaron Rodgers would amount to much after his rookie year.

Rookie years are rarely indicative of how a players career goes. Especially at QB.
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Yes because throwing 20 touchdowns in first 7 games as a rookie is just so common

Oh wait it’s never happened

If there’s anything I remember about rg3 rookie yr it was his insane inability when it came sliding and knowing when to get out of bounds when monsters linemen like haloti ngata were coming for him. His injuries that year were very avoiding basically anybody else would have avoided them
 
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NashVol11 said:
Kinda true, but depends on the system you play in. RG3’s was gimmicky as hell. I think Watson’s success is a lot more sustainable
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Funny you say that cause Watson's system was a lot like RG3.

Bill O'Brien famously scrapped the entire playbook for Watson once he became starter. Most of what Watson did was out of the shotgun and with read option elements.

Very rarely did Watson get under center this year. He was running a very Clemson-like spread read option offense.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Funny you say that cause Watson's system was a lot like RG3.

Bill O'Brien famously scrapped the entire playbook for Watson once he became starter. Most of what Watson did was out of the shotgun and with read option elements.

Very rarely did Watson get under center this year. He was running a very Clemson-like spread read option offense.
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Yeah, that’s bull****. RG3 threw almost all of his passes within 5 yards of the LOS. When he got hurt, Watson had the highest air yards per attempt in the league.

Not all shotgun offenses are the same. Try again.
 
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Lol Watson was nothing short of amazing the first half of the season. He was the biggest story every week and the best player in the league and he was well on his way to possibly winning the mvp this year

Brady and Gurley are the favorites with Wentz having a chance and it’s pretty much a quarterback award

Brady has 30 passing touchdowns while Watson was on track to have 40+ and that doesn’t even include rushing touchdowns and yards
 
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NashVol11 said:
QBs tend to make less mistakes when the offense is built completely around the RB. See Romo 2014 and Dak 2016
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Goff also has 700 more yards passing and 7 more passing TDs in said “reduced role”. Imagine if he wasn’t so stifled. :)
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
He kinda did. He just did it running rather than passing.

Did you forget how epic his run against the Texans was?

I was a huge Titans fan back then so I remember that season vividly. Tennessee was dead early while Vince was on the bench. Then he became the starter and set the league on fire. I believe he even made it onto the cover of Sports Illustrated as everyone was saying he looked in the NFL just like he did in college.

Vince Young in 2006 was a big deal. He was a pro bowler as a rookie for a reason. He played incredibly well.
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I remember because I wasn’t in elementary school at the time. He wasn’t that good he just managed to win
 
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Actually I prolly would put Wilson on the line of being elite. QB play is pretty bad in the NFLand he is one of a handful that can win games.

Dak strikes me as a game manager most seasons
 
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NashVol11 said:
Yeah, that’s bull****. RG3 threw almost all of his passes within 5 yards of the LOS. When he got hurt, Watson had the highest air yards per attempt in the league.

Not all shotgun offenses are the same. Try again.
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That's complete and utter bull**** because I lived in Washington during the fall of 2012 and got to see every single game RG3 played as a rookie. He was not a dink and dunk QB. The Redskins offense was based on sucking in the linebackers with the fake run option so that receivers could open behind them for big plays down the fields. RG3 made a living throwing into completely open spaces down the field behind the linebackers but in front of the safeties.

Watson and O'Brien did something similar. They weren't attcking the middle of the field behind the linebackers but they were using the fake run options to bait the safeties and then throwing over the top of the corners on the outside because Will Fuller and DeAndre Hopkins were such big play threats on the outside. Its not exactly the same as the RG3 offense but very similar and based on similar concepts.

Neither Watson nor RG3 were doing full field reads. And both were reliant on the fake run options to open up space down the field. We found out pretty quickly that RG3's offense couldn't last long in the NFL. We'll see if this Deshaun Watson offense can.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
It is when the very next year after Dobbs is gone the team suffers it's worst season in program history after 2 consecutive top 25 seasons with Dobbs.

It's obvious now that Dobbs carried Tennessee on his back in 2015 and 2016. And we saw this year just how bad Butch Jones is without Dobbs there to save him.

Tennessee's collapse in 2017 proves Dobbs was GREAT.
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Or it proves losing too many other guys all across the board is too much to overcome when your team has no depth overall. UT lost quality starters at every level of the defense with JRM, Barnett and Sutton and didn't really have enough quality players behind them to make up the difference. As rough as the offense has been this year for UT, the defense has been just as bad and I don't remember Dobbs lining up on that side of the ball.

Losing a couple of WRs and Kamara didn't help either so to say it was all Dobbs is a bit disingenuous
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Funny how when a black QB scrambles it's not QB skills however when a white QB like Aaron Rodgers does it, it's what make him the best of all time.

Scrambling and making plays when there is nothing there is a QB skill. It's what separates the good from the great ala Aaron Rodgers.
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Funny how now all of a sudden you bring race into this. Not sure I saw anyone bring Aaron Rodgers name into it at all but notice how we are all acknowledging Deshaun Watson (I don't think he is white btw), having really good QB skills while also being able to run the ball. You have said the opposite so what does that say about you?

I mean, grabbing at the race card to defend Dobbs is just about scraping the bottom of the empty barrel.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
That's complete and utter bull**** because I lived in Washington during the fall of 2012 and got to see every single game RG3 played as a rookie. He was not a dink and dunk QB. The Redskins offense was based on sucking in the linebackers with the fake run option so that receivers could open behind them for big plays down the fields. RG3 made a living throwing into completely open spaces down the field behind the linebackers but in front of the safeties.

Watson and O'Brien did something similar. They weren't attcking the middle of the field behind the linebackers but they were using the fake run options to bait the safeties and then throwing over the top of the corners on the outside because Will Fuller and DeAndre Hopkins were such big play threats on the outside. Its not exactly the same as the RG3 offense but very similar and based on similar concepts.

Neither Watson nor RG3 were doing full field reads. And both were reliant on the fake run options to open up space down the field. We found out pretty quickly that RG3's offense couldn't last long in the NFL. We'll see if this Deshaun Watson offense can.
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You do know this is possible to just look up right?:eek:lol:
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/G/GrifRo01/passing-plays/2012/
As you can CLEARLY see, yes, RGIII had some "deep" throws but some of those are for 16 yards or in that area which is typically a deep out with some YAC. But CLEARLY, the majority of his completions were on shorter throws.

Now, Watson's season was looking a bit similar but he had more of his "deep" completions being beyond 20 yards but we are still only talking about half a season.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Funny how when a black QB scrambles it's not QB skills however when a white QB like Aaron Rodgers does it, it's what make him the best of all time.

Scrambling and making plays when there is nothing there is a QB skill. It's what separates the good from the great ala Aaron Rodgers.
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We aren't talking about "scrambling" behind the line of scrimmage you dolt...the context was about rushing, you know, pulling the ball down and running. Dobbs rushed for over 800y his Sr season which led the team. This is in stark contrast with

how the hell was Aaron Rodgers brought into the discussion at all? Yeah he's got some good wheels for a QB but since 1970 he's #43 in rypg. (17.9) He is NOT a runner, he's an elite passer. If you're going to try and make comparison's put in the effort to make them remotely contextually relevant.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
He kinda did. He just did it running rather than passing.

Did you forget how epic his run against the Texans was?

I was a huge Titans fan back then so I remember that season vividly. Tennessee was dead early while Vince was on the bench. Then he became the starter and set the league on fire. I believe he even made it onto the cover of Sports Illustrated as everyone was saying he looked in the NFL just like he did in college.

Vince Young in 2006 was a big deal. He was a pro bowler as a rookie for a reason. He played incredibly well.
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Vince Young's BEST passing season in the NFL was 2546y with 9td and 17int to go along with a 71.1 rating. Don't ever use VY to make a comparative argument vs anyone that can actually pass as an NFL QB. Just don't.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
I'm sure you thought RG3 was also gonna win MVPs as a rookie while you probably didn't think Aaron Rodgers would amount to much after his rookie year.

Rookie years are rarely indicative of how a players career goes. Especially at QB.
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Well Rodgers was playing back up to a hall of famer his rookie season so no one really had any idea.
 
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