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apevol said:
Can schizophrenia, schizotypal disorder, or schizoaffective disorder occur co-morbidly with MPD?
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Yes.

You're saying MPD for multiple personality disorder? That's a different critter from being impulsive and changing around continually.

With MPD, you have one personality genuinely controlling the others, and there is amnesia - in the absence of drug or alcohol use - that keeps the other personalities from knowing or remembering what happened. Whereas if you're being impulsive and not particularly self-controlled (but not multiple personalities), you may go darting off chasing bunnies, even when you know it's not a good idea, but you (all of you) know what's going on at the time and can remember it later. In most cases, those with MPD/DID suffered enormous sexual and/or physical abuse in childhood. It is thought that the creation of multiple personalities is a child's way of dealing with (and surviving) horrific abuse, by shutting off the abuse in one personality, and allowing others to be safe and unaware of it.

By contrast, schizophrenia and the other schizoid disorders involve a disconnect with what others perceive as reality, so there might be "voices in the head", sometimes command voices, delusions, paranoia, and a general inability to engage with others, due to the altered perception of reality. It tends to manifest itself in late adolescence or early adulthood. There is often a strong genetic component. It is possible that for those with a risk for schizophrenia, heavy pot use in adolescence might increase the risk.

Despite the common usage of the term "schizo", there isn't an element of multiple personality in schizophrenia. They are very different disorders.

Either of these is made worse by substance use/abuse, of course, because there is an underlying fracture with reality, and chemicals make the fracture worse, at least during the acute phase.

Again, this isn't my field. I have an academic and professional knowledge of it, so that I understand what a clinician is writing about when they document it, but I am not a therapist or diagnostician by any stretch of the imagination.
 
#5,762
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VolNExile said:
Yes.

You're saying MPD for multiple personality disorder? That's a different critter from being impulsive and changing around continually.

With MPD, you have one personality genuinely controlling the others, and there is amnesia - in the absence of drug or alcohol use - that keeps the other personalities from knowing or remembering what happened. Whereas if you're being impulsive and not particularly self-controlled (but not multiple personalities), you may go darting off chasing bunnies, even when you know it's not a good idea, but you (all of you) know what's going on at the time and can remember it later. In most cases, those with MPD/DID suffered enormous sexual and/or physical abuse in childhood. It is thought that the creation of multiple personalities is a child's way of dealing with (and surviving) horrific abuse, by shutting off the abuse in one personality, and allowing others to be safe and unaware of it.

By contrast, schizophrenia and the other schizoid disorders involve a disconnect with what others perceive as reality, so there might be "voices in the head", sometimes command voices, delusions, paranoia, and a general inability to engage with others, due to the altered perception of reality. It tends to manifest itself in late adolescence or early adulthood. There is often a strong genetic component. It is possible that for those with a risk for schizophrenia, heavy pot use in adolescence might increase the risk.

Despite the common usage of the term "schizo", there isn't an element of multiple personality in schizophrenia. They are very different disorders.

Either of these is made worse by substance use/abuse, of course, because there is an underlying fracture with reality, and chemicals make the fracture worse, at least during the acute phase.

Again, this isn't my field. I have an academic and professional knowledge of it, so that I understand what a clinician is writing about when they document it, but I am not a therapist or diagnostician by any stretch of the imagination.
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I don't like this.

Yes you do!
 
#5,766
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VolNExile said:
Yes.

You're saying MPD for multiple personality disorder? That's a different critter from being impulsive and changing around continually.

With MPD, you have one personality genuinely controlling the others, and there is amnesia - in the absence of drug or alcohol use - that keeps the other personalities from knowing or remembering what happened. Whereas if you're being impulsive and not particularly self-controlled (but not multiple personalities), you may go darting off chasing bunnies, even when you know it's not a good idea, but you (all of you) know what's going on at the time and can remember it later. In most cases, those with MPD/DID suffered enormous sexual and/or physical abuse in childhood. It is thought that the creation of multiple personalities is a child's way of dealing with (and surviving) horrific abuse, by shutting off the abuse in one personality, and allowing others to be safe and unaware of it.

By contrast, schizophrenia and the other schizoid disorders involve a disconnect with what others perceive as reality, so there might be "voices in the head", sometimes command voices, delusions, paranoia, and a general inability to engage with others, due to the altered perception of reality. It tends to manifest itself in late adolescence or early adulthood. There is often a strong genetic component. It is possible that for those with a risk for schizophrenia, heavy pot use in adolescence might increase the risk.

Despite the common usage of the term "schizo", there isn't an element of multiple personality in schizophrenia. They are very different disorders.

Either of these is made worse by substance use/abuse, of course, because there is an underlying fracture with reality, and chemicals make the fracture worse, at least during the acute phase.

Again, this isn't my field. I have an academic and professional knowledge of it, so that I understand what a clinician is writing about when they document it, but I am not a therapist or diagnostician by any stretch of the imagination.
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Wow
 
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VolNExile said:
Yes.

You're saying MPD for multiple personality disorder? That's a different critter from being impulsive and changing around continually.

With MPD, you have one personality genuinely controlling the others, and there is amnesia - in the absence of drug or alcohol use - that keeps the other personalities from knowing or remembering what happened. Whereas if you're being impulsive and not particularly self-controlled (but not multiple personalities), you may go darting off chasing bunnies, even when you know it's not a good idea, but you (all of you) know what's going on at the time and can remember it later. In most cases, those with MPD/DID suffered enormous sexual and/or physical abuse in childhood. It is thought that the creation of multiple personalities is a child's way of dealing with (and surviving) horrific abuse, by shutting off the abuse in one personality, and allowing others to be safe and unaware of it.

By contrast, schizophrenia and the other schizoid disorders involve a disconnect with what others perceive as reality, so there might be "voices in the head", sometimes command voices, delusions, paranoia, and a general inability to engage with others, due to the altered perception of reality. It tends to manifest itself in late adolescence or early adulthood. There is often a strong genetic component. It is possible that for those with a risk for schizophrenia, heavy pot use in adolescence might increase the risk.

Despite the common usage of the term "schizo", there isn't an element of multiple personality in schizophrenia. They are very different disorders.

Either of these is made worse by substance use/abuse, of course, because there is an underlying fracture with reality, and chemicals make the fracture worse, at least during the acute phase.

Again, this isn't my field. I have an academic and professional knowledge of it, so that I understand what a clinician is writing about when they document it, but I am not a therapist or diagnostician by any stretch of the imagination.
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I am genuinely gracious for the depth of description that you have provided.

I'm relatively familiar with the 2 conditions. Maybe more in experiance, than study.

Forgive me for being dense, but..is there any example of these two horrible things manifesting in the same person in academic record?
 
#5,775
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Ape? If this is drug ensued paranoia then take a nap. If this is something you have long dealt with, then stop the drugs and seek therapy. This ain't mild depression here.
 
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