Official Jon Gruden Thread XLIX

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SmokeyLives said:
From VQ, TIFWIW.....BRAJP(very reliable)

Potential prob w/Pruitt: Phil wants him now, Nick wants him thru cfb playoffs. Also Pruitt a no go on Tee. Phil and Bev headed home.
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So I'm not on the Pruitt train even kinda.....but if Tee is a sticking point for hires and they vehemently object while Phil says it's a must...we're REALLY screwed. Like go ahead and name Tee HC if this is the case.
 
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WOW! A 🎢 season. Then a 🎢 month. Next was 🎢 week. Now 🎢 day. Pretty soon we're gonna get sucked into black hole!
 
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MACGRUDER said:
You have a lot of assumptions on someone’s motives who has never concretely explained their motives - and to the degree they have, only happened after their initial premise started looking very likely to fail.

You’re insistent on a gray area existing and dismissing those who say Beaver is nothing but a troll. You’re also saying that my belief that there is equal validity in their stance is logical absurdism? There is literally zero evidence to favor your assumption over those that believe he’s taking everyone for a ride. In fact, those that say he is a troll have much more evidence (both by his predictions not happening and general precedence of trolls existing in FAR greater numbers than insiders online).

What’s absurd is taking everything someone says under the guise of anonymity as gospel, watching their soothsaying prove false, allowing them to remedy their predictions to suit a current climate, then reshaping history under your own personal interpretation of said person’s words and motives. Just as you seem to think my insistence on extremes is dangerous, so is assuming your own narrative of a third party’s intention as being the only reasonable take. Beaver has had ample opportunity to spell this out for people when it’s blatantly obvious there’s no concise, agreed-upon Road-map for this userbase to follow for all of his implications. You’re assuming clarity in a maze of smoke. Many here see smoke and think fire. They’re just as right as you are.
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No, I said logical absurdism exists when you have opposite premises in a proof. In the case where you have a proof saying S is valid and ~S (The opposite of S) is valid, you can maintain validity through any conclusion.

In formal logic, the following proof is valid (where P represents any proposition):

It is the case that P is true.
It not the case that P is true.
Thus, Elephants can fly.

That is my point, You are forming a belief system regarding someone and admitting that both extremes are equally valid. That is what I am disputing.

I actually believe that neither extreme is valid (or likely). I believe the middle path is most accurate. I will shoot down any argument that one of the extremes is accurate.

Also, there is a huge difference between believing that Beaver is a complete troll and believing that he did not have as much power as some people felt.

Beaver didn't say, "I don't miss." He said, "These guys don't miss." Anyone who ascribed the ability to beaver relied on induction.

Beaver also quickly qualified his "done deal" with a game theory approach. Meaning that under a GT analysis, there would be no likely outcome where a negative response was found.

Also, you are talking about Beaver as though it happened in a vacuum. There were numerous other posters, on this site and others, that were reporting the same information. It is clear that everyone in the game was surprised at the outcome.

So, if you would stop inserting beliefs into my argument I'd appreciate it. My point has remained steadfast. The Beaver is not a complete troll. The Beaver is not the decision maker. The Beaver did come here with an objective. That objective was revealed prior to any anti-Gruden news (Schiano Day). From all outward appearances, the objective was accomplished.

I can't express how middle of the road this belief system is in the realm of possible beliefs. It is a happy medium where I feel comfortable in the reasonable soundness of all beliefs, and the structure as a whole. I am not some fanboy. I am not a knee-jerk belief former. At my center, I am coldly rational. I hate being wrong, and as a result don't form too many speculative beliefs. I will rely on assumptions, but state them as such.

I'm not sure why you have so big of an issue with me defending the notion that Beaver is not a complete troll. Do you believe he is 100% troll? Really?

If not, then our beliefs are actually probably pretty similar.
 
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Jon Gruden turns down Tennessee for the third time: Surprise!
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Jon Gruden, yet again, is not going to be the next football coach of the Volunteers. We'll see this rumor again in 2014!
By Jason Kirk Nov 30, 2012, 10:25am EST

I'm sure it has been discussed, but in the article his agent publicly stated he wasn't going to be the coach. Also the article sites the other public statements that he wasn't interested or flat won't be taking the job. Has this not happened this time because his people feel there is no need to do it publicly again? Just can't figure why there was no public turn down, especially after the CBS article. Any insight?
 
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Jeremy Pruitt has reached out to a few potential coaches today in regards to if he takes the Tennessee job. Like one friend just said, Bottom of the 9th, can the Vols pull out the save? -T WALLACE
 
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Leximax said:
I’m counsel for a bank. I can’t help you out. Sorry!
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So you're the one that serves papers when papaw is 6 minutes late on his personal loan that he got tricked into putting up the farm against a $600 riding lawn mower.
Yeah it's a run-on sentence, sue me.
 
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wtmvol said:
You guys are nuts - in a good way...

I'm over here trying to talk myself into Pruitt, and here you are hanging on to any semblance of hope left.

I just can't do it anymore. This whole thing has had an effect on my health, job status, and family life. That's honestly pathetic, but it's true. I had to jump before something really quantifiable with those 3 things happened.

God bless y'all.
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I know how you feel.

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And the only thing I know to do is...

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