Official Jon Gruden Thread XLVII

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The best thing to do for Fulmer is to make a run at Gruden. If he says no then leak that we tried and he said no and get on with the search.
 
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Volsfan4243 said:
Great Post. Basically Gruden would burn a big bridge with ESPN if he comes to Tennessee. I guess he has a huge decision to make if the Boosters come back at him with an offer. What if they gave him a Jimbo contract? Would he refuse??
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ESPN is burning their own bridges. If you was at a job who had already laid off 100 & is reportedly laying off 150 more & an opportunity came to you to do what you love & make nearly twice what you’re currently making as well as put you closer to wife’s family. I’m not 100% but I’m not going blindly saying just cause they met resistance doesn’t mean it’ll stop the process
 
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VFLnSFD said:
I don't think he burns a bridge with ESPN. These guys are paid to have opinions and stir up controversy in order to gain viewers. I don't think anyone gives a darn if they turn out to be wrong.
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Additionally, it has been reported that Currie game the media talking points.......thrashing the fan base.
 
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Zeppelin18241 said:
Just received this text from a friend who's a successful Nashville entrepreneur and mid-level booster...


"Ergen, Thornton, & Davis, among others, had enough of Haslam's pick for AD botching the coaching hire & embarrassing our/their alma mater. It was becoming a bad reflection on them as businessmen to be portrayed in such a bad light nationally, since they are known to be prominent donors to UT.

They gave Davenport an ultimatum & she called Currie in off the road. He went anyway on a plane owned by one of his KSU donors at his former school, which is why no one could find him or contact him yesterday.

Peyton had aligned himself with the Haslams, & one rumor is that he has been offered a piece of the Browns to run them when they inevitably clean house for the second time at the end of the season. Other rumors abound that the Haslams have promised the Mannings they will help them be able to acquire another NFL franchise or a piece of one.

Leach is really interested in this job, but probably won't get it now. That's a real shame, because he & Kiffin are the two best coaches we could have hired, & Spurrier said so today on Finebaum. They know how to recruit & build a staff & run offenses that deploy their weapons to the utmost on the field.

Just a few hours ago, it was Haslam & Manning aligned on one side, pitted against Ergen, Thornton, & Davis on the other. They contacted Fulmer, who met them at the airport. Haslam & Manning wanted Sigmon named interim AD. The others wanted Fulmer & said they were ending their donations if he wasn't given the job on some basis.

Ergen was giving $35M annually to UT when Fulmer was here as coach & has only given $10M annually since. He told UT he would make up for any shortfall in what the Haslams may withhold.

You can tell that Davenport is in way over her head in this job & was visibly shaken at the press conference. She didn't know how to answer any of the questions.

The reason Currie didn't use a search firm is that he was given a list of 3 coaches to interview by Haslam that Davenport signed off on. In order, they were 1. Gruden, 2. Kelly, & 3. Schiano. Gruden was already signed & ready to come, as some of these other boosters had already gotten his agreement, but Haslam nixed the hire because Gruden wanted total control of the program like Saban has at Bama & Meyer at OSU, & Haslam was determined not to let go of his control of everything.

By the time Currie got to Kelly, he had already been approached by both Florida & UCLA, & had decided to go to one of those places. Currie went to the Bahamas knowing he was going to offer Schiano when he got back home. It was only when the firestorm hit on Sunday that Currie had to go beyond the original Haslam list, which is when we got started getting turned down by so many others. Currie made a last ditch attempt to save his job by going for Leach, but he wasn't authorized by Haslam or Davenport to be contacted.

Now, the rest of this is speculation, but maybe more educated guess than conjecture:

Cutcliffe, now age 63, & Miles, age 64, will be the two top targets now for HC, with Tee Martin as OC brought in under either of them & groomed to be their successor. That's the plan. Might involve Chavis or Steele as DC. Should have a hire within 48 hours.

Not sure where they will go if this plan doesn't fall through. Only thing that bothers me about Fulmer in this search is that there will probably be no "outside the box" thinking & any new blood other than Tee. Also, he went with Currie to interview Doeren in NC & had signed off on his hire, which would have been a disastrous hire, so it was just fortuitous for us that he turned us down."
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Okay, let me say the obligatory Gruden to the Hill, Gruden til it ain't.

Second, if I understand correctly, when Cut turned us down last week, it was to the effect of, "I won't work for that administration." Then, Director Fulmer mentioned in is presser that coaches who previously weren't interested before will be now.

Soooo, I really feel like Cut may be approached to see if he wants to come in and right the ship as he closes out his career, grooming Tee to take over when he retires. If they assembled a staff that had some orange ties, this could work.

Third, same with Miles. It would be a bigger splash nationally, but wouldn't splash as big with volnation as Cut.

jmo tifwiw bbq

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Headvol said:
Thing is he still hasn’t publicly said no & I’m sure they knew beforehand that Haslam might try something at the 11th hour. If he’s heart is set on being he wouldn’t care at this point what media had or will say bc they don’t know the whole truth. If he’s heart ain’t in it he would’ve already made a public statement !!
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Oh I agree. Just saying the way the information was posted was in a way that wasn't meant to be hopeful.
 
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TheTimeIsNow said:
I wish Gruden would make a statement already. I'm afraid this **** will loom over the next coach if he doesn't.
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I don't want him making a statement until he is ready to.

If you are wanting the homecoming queen to go to prom with you do you push for an answer before she is ready to give one?
 
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Orange_Vol1321 said:
The best thing to do for Fulmer is to make a run at Gruden. If he says no then leak that we tried and he said no and get on with the search.
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True, if Gruden is not an option he needs to let everyone know ASAP to help soften the blow on the “actual” hire.
 
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You think the reason ESPN has been so rough on us is because they know Gruden left them for us? Or at least had plans to before this last week...
 
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Kid Deezy said:
You think the reason ESPN has been so rough on us is because they know Gruden left them for us? Or at least had plans to before this last week...
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I just think it is a combo between sexton giving them info and the opinion that appeals to the broadest audience. More people want to believe that we are a bunch of buffoons than want us to be canaries in the mine.
 
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Ergen said he would make up the difference in whatever Haslam doesnt contribute.

Like that dude.

Now go get the white whale and get his yes or no so we can party again.
 
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Zeppelin18241 said:
Just received this text from a friend who's a successful Nashville entrepreneur and mid-level booster...


"Ergen, Thornton, & Davis, among others, had enough of Haslam's pick for AD botching the coaching hire & embarrassing our/their alma mater. It was becoming a bad reflection on them as businessmen to be portrayed in such a bad light nationally, since they are known to be prominent donors to UT.

They gave Davenport an ultimatum & she called Currie in off the road. He went anyway on a plane owned by one of his KSU donors at his former school, which is why no one could find him or contact him yesterday.

Peyton had aligned himself with the Haslams, & one rumor is that he has been offered a piece of the Browns to run them when they inevitably clean house for the second time at the end of the season. Other rumors abound that the Haslams have promised the Mannings they will help them be able to acquire another NFL franchise or a piece of one.

Leach is really interested in this job, but probably won't get it now. That's a real shame, because he & Kiffin are the two best coaches we could have hired, & Spurrier said so today on Finebaum. They know how to recruit & build a staff & run offenses that deploy their weapons to the utmost on the field.

Just a few hours ago, it was Haslam & Manning aligned on one side, pitted against Ergen, Thornton, & Davis on the other. They contacted Fulmer, who met them at the airport. Haslam & Manning wanted Sigmon named interim AD. The others wanted Fulmer & said they were ending their donations if he wasn't given the job on some basis.

Ergen was giving $35M annually to UT when Fulmer was here as coach & has only given $10M annually since. He told UT he would make up for any shortfall in what the Haslams may withhold.

You can tell that Davenport is in way over her head in this job & was visibly shaken at the press conference. She didn't know how to answer any of the questions.

The reason Currie didn't use a search firm is that he was given a list of 3 coaches to interview by Haslam that Davenport signed off on. In order, they were 1. Gruden, 2. Kelly, & 3. Schiano. Gruden was already signed & ready to come, as some of these other boosters had already gotten his agreement, but Haslam nixed the hire because Gruden wanted total control of the program like Saban has at Bama & Meyer at OSU, & Haslam was determined not to let go of his control of everything.

By the time Currie got to Kelly, he had already been approached by both Florida & UCLA, & had decided to go to one of those places. Currie went to the Bahamas knowing he was going to offer Schiano when he got back home. It was only when the firestorm hit on Sunday that Currie had to go beyond the original Haslam list, which is when we got started getting turned down by so many others. Currie made a last ditch attempt to save his job by going for Leach, but he wasn't authorized by Haslam or Davenport to be contacted.

Now, the rest of this is speculation, but maybe more educated guess than conjecture:

Cutcliffe, now age 63, & Miles, age 64, will be the two top targets now for HC, with Tee Martin as OC brought in under either of them & groomed to be their successor. That's the plan. Might involve Chavis or Steele as DC. Should have a hire within 48 hours.

Not sure where they will go if this plan doesn't fall through. Only thing that bothers me about Fulmer in this search is that there will probably be no "outside the box" thinking & any new blood other than Tee. Also, he went with Currie to interview Doeren in NC & had signed off on his hire, which would have been a disastrous hire, so it was just fortuitous for us that he turned us down."
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Yeah, so Gruden then Kelly...the next logical step is of course Schiano.

Doesn't sound fishy at all.

Also, $35m annually is a ludicrous number. That's probably higher than any single sum donation of any SEC school. It's the kind of money that gets your name on an entire school in the college, or a new building. And to do that annually?

This all sounds contrived.
 
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VFLnSFD said:
I don't want him making a statement until he is ready to.

If you are wanting the homecoming queen to go to prom with you do you push for an answer before she is ready to give one?
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I guess that is why I never had a date ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
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Kid Deezy said:
You think the reason ESPN has been so rough on us is because they know Gruden left them for us? Or at least had plans to before this last week...
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I think the national media responses we've seen to date have a lot more to do with Jimmy Sexton and Co., and who are represented by them (including Schiano, Herbstriet, etc.) than with who works for ESPN or may not in the future.

But that's just my opinion, as Tastycar would want me to close. :)
 
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UTLEGEND said:
From OldVol74 on VQ.. interesting post

"Apply a little logic here people.


You have a rabid fan base clamoring for a particular guy to be your head coach. Not just your everyday, garden variety clamoring, but pandemonium clamoring. Desire, that were it not to be followed through on, would likely derail your entire strategy for anyone else you pursue. So, you make the obligatory run at the guy and leak that he said thanks, but no thanks. Maybe you even ask the guy to make a throw away comment on his MNF broadcast.


Rumors are put to rest and you move on to your legitimate target.


Now, here's what happened. A group of very influential boosters and former players worked the back channels. One booster has his name on the training center. Gruden was prepared to accept and was already putting together a staff. Currie, for the same reason as in 2012, to placate another big money booster, torpedoed it because he owed his job and, he felt, his security to the other Big Dog named Haslam.


Now, if you doubt this, and you buy the line that some of the company guys fed, that they met in Tampa and Gruden said no, then ask yourself this question; why was Gruden's exact details not leaked to certain cooperating media members like Schiano and Gundy's details were leaked, down to the dollar.


Why wasn't Mullen's detailed offer leaked?


For the same reason Gruden's numbers were never leaked by the media. There was never an official offer made to either Mullen or Gruden by the university. The only numbers you've heard from the Gruden deal were leaked by insiders.


The CBS leak Sunday Morning was a controlled leak by the boosters working on Gruden.


I'm not making this CBS report up, google it.


In the meantime, doing Jim's bidding, Currie makes an end run around the other boosters and springs Schiano on them. The Schiano leak was made by the other boosters who wanted Gruden. Never could they have imagined the outcry.


Now, if you believe the guy who painted the rock and a handful of vocals down at gate 21 got this thing torpedoed, then you may want to stay up late Christmas Eve and watch the fireplace. This was stopped by very influential people both on the booster side, who were infuriated because they had been backstabbed at the eleventh hour, and by politicians.


Now, would Gruden still accept? Who knows?


But anyone saying that the actions of the last 6 days wouldn't make any candidate step back because of all of the negative national media, then you're not being fair. If Gruden accepted now, he'd be burning every bridge with the media group he works for because they've spent the last 6 days saying what a bunch of losers we are.


Believe what you will. I've been around this program a long time and it’s been my privilege to meet a lot of very influential folks."
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"because they've spent the last 6 days saying what a bunch of losers we are" - yes they have, but they also have a short memory and very little integrity about changing their values
 
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