Official Jon Gruden Thread XLV

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RockyTopSC said:
Many of you may be getting the war you wanted. Now you have to have the guts to press it. If you tweet, email or whatever get back in action. Bombard Davenport and Joe with this message. Be the hero unite Tennessee. Refuse everyone Currie puts in front of you and make Gruden enter the conversation. It may save your career.
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Lets ride!..boosters pull your money and donations fans tonight at the Game make signs and cliche chants while giving the middle finger
 
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HearForGrumors said:
Actually, he never said that. A bunch of other posters said that. He always maintained that his group was working towards that end, but not that it was completed.

Unless you are intentionally dense (see, troglodyte), you would know that there was (allegedly) a group who worked towards this end. This much is clear from the numerous disconnected sources indicating as much.

The scenario that makes sense is that the boosters got together and worked to arrange a set of terms that JG would agree to, that JG did indicate potential agreement to those terms, and then Currie went another direction - completely bamboozling everyone.

Take your ignorance elsewhere. It stinks. My delicate sensibilities are growing ill from your stench.
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This morning, Trey Wallace reported (via a twitter reply) that UT did offer Gruden, but it was a "private offer." Click the twitter exchange at bottom of post to see the entire screenshot dialogue with Trey. One reason how/why CBS this Sunday reported what so many others on here did as well, of the $10m/year type offer and significant interest at the top of our candidate list...just before all hell broke loose.

It's clear there was a faction who wanted Gruden and he was listening, building a staff, looking at staff contracts per guys like @Vol_in_CLT. At the same time, it seems clear that Currie (and by extension Haslam) did nothing with any of that group's work, didn't follow up on it, and clearly didn't make a public offer for Gruden. They were too focused on Schiano and false flight plans and their own agenda. If you make a $8-10m/year offer for Gruden official (which you clearly can after offering Gundy $7m) and make it public letting the world know it, you force an official answer from JG, which becomes public whether he accepts or declines -- and ends all Grumors going forward (whether yes or no). It's all out there for everyone to know if that happens. Instead, seems they didn't even pursue him, explaining all the bad intel/info folks were hearing about the Gruden deal - the only info that mattered was what Currie/Haslam had in mind.

So it got me thinking why? We keep hearing about the "control" word. JG reportedly wanted more control. Haslam apparently wants all of the control (and was worried JG would not stay long-term some have said). Keeping it simple, if the issue was control...should the focus should turn to Ergen? We've seen the reports where guys have said he's not publicly a top donor, even though his wealth clearly outweighs Haslam's. That's understandable. He doesn't live in Tennessee nor does he need the control/influence over the state of TN like the Haslam's on a consistent basis. But there has been plenty of smoke about Ergen's influence ($$$) having grown this time around in this search and about potential funding to science/academic programs should we hire JG, a focus to better the university's academic and athletic standings. Was that fan fiction or real?

What IF it is this simple? a theory...Ergen and a private group wanted Gruden. With that would come a MAJOR monetary gift from a guy worth $18b. Gruden would get the control he wants. And Ergen would become the WHALE donor. Who does that hurt the most? Doesn't hurt any of us fans or the university. Only hurts one man. Haslam. Who loses control -- is no longer the white whale, but is replaced by two other white whales. No other boosters have been able to challenge or control Haslam. That would change. Again, no proof of this billionaire battle but have seen others allude to it so wanted to speculate and see if anyone had any insights.

If that was the case, he clearly might do something to sabotage or go rogue on the JG efforts as many have speculated was the case based on what they heard. And focus on a man he wanted to hire in 2014 (Schiano) for the Browns per reports. And Currie, who he personally hired some have said (according to an in-the-know poster on TOS, Currie wasn't part of AD search; per that poster, he walked him into BOT meeting and said here's your new AD, leading Charlie Anderson to say No and walk out), is just an extension of Haslam executing his orders.

Perhaps that explains the nuttiness of the past week. And why things remain so crazy. And why Hyams may have gotten fed bad info or false leaks by people trying to rise up against Haslam/Currie and embarrass Currie regarding Brohm.

I've resigned myself to nothing changing. Currie may be re-assigned to other projects and Fulmer and others may be leading the search charge, but it's going to take a real booster/board uprising and a lot of $$$ to curtail Haslam's influence/control a bit and to bring in a guy like Blackburn instead of Currie who could actually go hire a tier 1 coach.

I have nothing against Brohm if it happens. He's a great offensive mind and the games would be more entertaining. But it's not an A hire. It beats Schiano by a lot, but we're not winning titles with Brohm.

And yes, I was convinced we were getting JG -- not by sources or inside info, but by reading the intell from folks on here and rationalizing everything. It was a mistake to underestimate Haslam. There seems to be no way he would want Ergen and JG to overtake his power.

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RockyTopSC said:
A little more encouragement. One of the higher level boosters in my circle told a few of us last night the he would be surprised if John was the AD Jan 1 and Bev was the chancellor on March 1. What we may be seeing is she is trying to separate from him to save herself. Problem is that leaves John making the hire unless we keep pressing to render him lame. If Bev is feeling it that only helps.
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I'll be surprised if John is AD December 1st. We got this turncoat on the ropes. He is close to going down. We got knock this dude out before he hires a coach.
 
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EastTN said:
LOL yea since you joined in 2017 I been here as an OG since 2012 GTFO
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So, can you proffer an explanation as to how that qualifies you for anything?

That secures my view of you as a troglodyte. If you've been here that long and you're still this ignorant, it must be intentional.

Back to your bridge, troll!
 
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RockyTopSC said:
A little more encouragement. One of the higher level boosters in my circle told a few of us last night the he would be surprised if John was the AD Jan 1 and Bev was the chancellor on March 1. What we may be seeing is she is trying to separate from him to save herself. Problem is that leaves John making the hire unless we keep pressing to render him lame. If Bev is feeling it that only helps.
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Too late. UT will be dead to many of us by then. Currie has to go now and Bev has to be brought into line.
 
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revjayp said:
He hasn’t. These are people that came in this thread just to moan. Thu have no idea what they’re talking about.
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He actually has. He led us to believe Gruden was done. Talking about black tie event and tail gate. I've been here since XX and I've read every single thing he's said. He may have had an agenda from the start, but that doesn't negate the fact that he led us to believe Gruden was coming.
 
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HearForGrumors said:
So, can you proffer an explanation as to how that qualifies you for anything?

That secures my view of you as a troglodyte. If you've been here that long and you're still this ignorant, it must be intentional.

Back to your bridge, troll!
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you say GTFO more eloquently than anyone I know.........:good!:
 
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90 Vol said:
For an MOU, you need 4 signatures. President, AD, Chancellor, and President. Correct?

If there was an MOU for Gruden, Currie is the missing signature with blocks him for the moment?

For the Currie/Haslam coaches, the missing signatures are from the Chancellor and/or President?

Remove Currie and everything falls in line. Am I close?
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I honestly don’t know the situation on the discussed MOU. I know that the 2 camp scenario with Gruden as the prize and Haslam end arounding the good guys is true.
 
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5FingerVolPunch said:
He actually has. He led us to believe Gruden was done. Talking about black tie event and tail gate. I've been here since XX and I've read every single thing he's said. He may have had an agenda from the start, but that doesn't negate the fact that he led us to believe Gruden was coming.
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If the theory regarding the boosters orchestrating a private offer and Gruden giving assent to that offer is true - then he didn't lie. They just didn't expect the GS shenanigans.

Not a total Beaver fanboy, but I think there's enough independent confirmation of that story to give it legs.
 
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OldTimer said:
This morning, Trey Wallace reported (via a twitter reply) that UT did offer Gruden, but it was a "private offer." Click the twitter exchange at bottom of post to see the entire screenshot dialogue with Trey. One reason how/why CBS this Sunday reported what so many others on here did as well, of the $10m/year type offer and significant interest at the top of our candidate list...just before all hell broke loose.

It's clear there was a faction who wanted Gruden and he was listening, building a staff, looking at staff contracts per guys like @Vol_in_CLT. At the same time, it seems clear that Currie (and by extension Haslam) did nothing with any of that group's work, didn't follow up on it, and clearly didn't make a public offer for Gruden. They were too focused on Schiano and false flight plans and their own agenda. If you make a $8-10m/year offer for Gruden official (which you clearly can after offering Gundy $7m) and make it public letting the world know it, you force an official answer from JG, which becomes public whether he accepts or declines -- and ends all Grumors going forward (whether yes or no). It's all out there for everyone to know if that happens. Instead, seems they didn't even pursue him, explaining all the bad intel/info folks were hearing about the Gruden deal - the only info that mattered was what Currie/Haslam had in mind.

So it got me thinking why? We keep hearing about the "control" word. JG reportedly wanted more control. Haslam apparently wants all of the control (and was worried JG would not stay long-term some have said). Keeping it simple, if the issue was control...should the focus should turn to Ergen? We've seen the reports where guys have said he's not publicly a top donor, even though his wealth clearly outweighs Haslam's. That's understandable. He doesn't live in Tennessee nor does he need the control/influence over the state of TN like the Haslam's on a consistent basis. But there has been plenty of smoke about Ergen's influence ($$$) having grown this time around in this search and about potential funding to science/academic programs should we hire JG, a focus to better the university's academic and athletic standings. Was that fan fiction or real?

What IF it is this simple? a theory...Ergen and a private group wanted Gruden. With that would come a MAJOR monetary gift from a guy worth $18b. Gruden would get the control he wants. And Ergen would become the WHALE donor. Who does that hurt the most? Doesn't hurt any of us fans or the university. Only hurts one man. Haslam. Who loses control -- is no longer the white whale, but is replaced by two other white whales. No other boosters have been able to challenge or control Haslam. That would change. Again, no proof of this billionaire battle but have seen others allude to it so wanted to speculate and see if anyone had any insights.

If that was the case, he clearly might do something to sabotage or go rogue on the JG efforts as many have speculated was the case based on what they heard. And focus on a man he wanted to hire in 2014 (Schiano) for the Browns per reports. And Currie, who he personally hired some have said (according to an in-the-know poster on TOS, Currie wasn't part of AD search; per that poster, he walked him into BOT meeting and said here's your new AD, leading Charlie Anderson to say No and walk out), is just an extension of Haslam executing his orders.

Perhaps that explains the nuttiness of the past week. And why things remain so crazy. And why Hyams may have gotten fed bad info or false leaks by people trying to rise up against Haslam/Currie and embarrass Currie regarding Brohm.

I've resigned myself to nothing changing. Currie may be re-assigned to other projects and Fulmer and others may be leading the search charge, but it's going to take a real booster/board uprising and a lot of $$$ to curtail Haslam's influence/control a bit and to bring in a guy like Blackburn instead of Currie who could actually go hire a tier 1 coach.

I have nothing against Brohm if it happens. He's a great offensive mind and the games would be more entertaining. But it's not an A hire. It beats Schiano by a lot, but we're not winning titles with Brohm.

And yes, I was convinced we were getting JG -- not by sources or inside info, but by reading the intell from folks on here and rationalizing everything. It was a mistake to underestimate Haslam. There seems to be no way he would want Ergen and JG to overtake his power.

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I....i think you are me.
 
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5FingerVolPunch said:
He actually has. He led us to believe Gruden was done. Talking about black tie event and tail gate. I've been here since XX and I've read every single thing he's said. He may have had an agenda from the start, but that doesn't negate the fact that he led us to believe Gruden was coming.
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If I recall, AV got in on that fun as well. It doesn't nor fit the narrative that they had an agreement and Currie went rogue.
 
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