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BaldBiker said:
All I'm saying tonight (because I'm ******* tired and just got home from K'Ville), regardless of the hire at this point, my funding has ended until The University of Tennessee proves to me personally that they deserve to get my money back.

There's a bunch of ******* retards in the AD...and I'm pretty sure those may have been the exact words I used when I left. Hiring a decent to good coach may not be enough to bring my $$$ back. There have got to be major changes in the way UT handles their affairs. There are people with money at the top that have to go..or at the very least, realize they are stupid and back the FU** off.

For now....It's time to spend time with my family

I'm sure AtlVol probably put things much more eloquently than I, But forgive the Marine in me for saying what I mean bluntly.

Adios mi amigos :hi:
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go relax peepaw. thanks for everything you do.
 
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Z06VolinWV said:
So essentially Currie he about 2 months ,post UG, to get someone lined up, and the money there?
He failed royally!!
Watching UF and UCLA press conferences makes me sad! If Mullen wanted to come here, shoulda paid the man and got him here. When UF came knocking, shoulda offered more!
I'm inclined to seriously doubt anyone other than GS was seriously talked to tho!!
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Seriously talked to yes but unwilling to seriously pay for.
 
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Tee Martin just sitting there waiting by the phone. The players want him, the former players want him, I think the fans would love him, this is so easy. Could be wrapped up right now.

What does he bring?
1. He loves TN. Can’t overestimate that importance.
2. Best recruiter in the nation. Would bring in the talent.
3. Has been a top notch OC at USC.
4. Great receivers coach.
5. Knows how to win here
6. Would have a confidant and advisor in Fulmer
7. Fans would give him time and support

This is so obvious. What are they waiting for?
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
Tee Martin just sitting there waiting by the phone. The players want him, the former players want him, I think the fans would love him, this is so easy. Could be wrapped up right now.

What does he bring?
1. He loves TN. Can’t overestimate that importance.
2. Best recruiter in the nation. Would bring in the talent.
3. Has been a top notch OC at USC.
4. Great receivers coach.
5. Knows how to win here
6. Would have a confidant and advisor in Fulmer
7. Fans would give him time and support

This is so obvious. What are they waiting for?
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If Tee ends up being the hire I'd back him him but I'm nervous about betting the future on an unproven coordinator. I've also heard from some USC fans that he is just an average OC but great recruiter.
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
Tee Martin just sitting there waiting by the phone. The players want him, the former players want him, I think the fans would love him, this is so easy. Could be wrapped up right now.

What does he bring?
1. He loves TN. Can’t overestimate that importance.
2. Best recruiter in the nation. Would bring in the talent.
3. Has been a top notch OC at USC.
4. Great receivers coach.
5. Knows how to win here
6. Would have a confidant and advisor in Fulmer
7. Fans would give him time and support

This is so obvious. What are they waiting for?
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This only happened 24 hours ago Bass.
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
Tee Martin just sitting there waiting by the phone. The players want him, the former players want him, I think the fans would love him, this is so easy. Could be wrapped up right now.

What does he bring?
1. He loves TN. Can’t overestimate that importance.
2. Best recruiter in the nation. Would bring in the talent.
3. Has been a top notch OC at USC.
4. Great receivers coach.
5. Knows how to win here
6. Would have a confidant and advisor in Fulmer
7. Fans would give him time and support

This is so obvious. What are they waiting for?
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They’re probably crippled by fear now
 
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I get the sense this is going to hurt the AD pretty severely with its own fan base. People are seriously fed up with it evidenced by Baldy and jacket. I know I'm done. Won't spend a dime until wholesale changes take place. I would guess this $340mil improvement will have to be tabled.
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
What the hell does this do? I don't want to be 0-12. I mean we may as well burn Neyland to the ground and end the program. You are talking about a self imposed death penalty.
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UT is it’s own self imposed penalty.

They screw up every hire man.

Cuonzo, Serrano, Raleigh, Holly, Kiffin, Dooley, Butch, Schiano, Tyndall.

They always go cheap and they never do what it takes to win. They suck. All they care about is money so I hope they lose it for their dumbass mistakes. Eventually they will pony up and make a hire happen. They are always worried about not paying over market value but we just paid CBJ $29m for 5 years. Do the math on that. We should have started this search at $6m per year and been willing to go up. Instead we went dollar store shopping again.

UT sucks and doesn’t care about winning. Period.
 
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volatil said:
This only happened 24 hours ago Bass.
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No it didn’t. It happened 12 days ago. They screwed up everything yesterday. Their fault.

Now we’re creeping closer to the deadline and they’ve ruined any chance of landing a big time candidate. Tee Martin has so much promise and upside its ridiculous. Would calm everything down immediately. Should be done tomorrow so he can get on the recruiting trail and save this class.
 
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We have went from one of the most stable situations in all of sports, to the most chaotic in all of sports. It is mind boggling the damage that the Haslams have done, we made a deal with devil, we sold the soul of the University of Tennessee for their dirty money. I hate them more every second.
 
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Tennessee Vols Football - Message to the Media --- If You're Reading
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08:13 AM Today ( Report! )
It angers me watching the national sports media defend Greg Schiano today and try to smear the brave Tennesseeans who stood up against his hire to one of the most prominent positions in the entire state as 'dumb hillbillies.' It's a clear reminder why sexual abuse continues to happen.


Let's review the facts here:

Schiano may have been aware of Sanduky's crimes. Mike McQueary named Schiano as someone who had witnessed Jerry Sandusky's actions in the Sandusky child molestation trial. This information became public knowledge in 2016, so this is fairly recent, and a lot of people still don't know about it. It was not public knowledge at the time Schiano was hired at Ohio State.

Schiano's denial is not "proof" of innocence. Schiano denied knowledge, as did former Penn State assistant Bradley. The sports media and coaching cabal says "oh well ... Schiano is cleared." Like seriously. Sworn testimony in a court of law from a guy who had everything to lose by telling the truth is just summarily dismissed b/c football coaches (who are as bad as cops about protecting "their own") say "oh ... he's a good guy."

Schiano's "high integrity" story refuted by Tampa Bay. The problem is further exacerbated because the "Schiano is a high character guy" is directly refuted by his time in Tampa Bay, where he known as an abusive autocrat who actually spied on his players, lied constantly, rigged team captain votes, and pretty much alienated everyone within the program. Ask the guys who played under Schiano at Tampa Bay about his "high integrity." At least one player compared playing under Schiano to being in Communist Cuba. Do you think a guy like that would stand up against sexual abuse? Or do you think a petty autocrat who tries to control information might try to hide information about sexual abuse? Several NFL insiders have also said Schiano is low character / low class as it gets and hiring him would be a disaster for any program. He's even been in a heated disputes with players (including former Vol Peyton Manning) over one of his tactics which involves trying to take out the knees of unprotected players at the end of games during the "kneel-down" play. During his time in the NFL, he showed the exact opposite of integrity.

UT Message Boards Did More Through Due Diligence than Athletic Department. Tennessee Volunteer fans did more thorough due diligence on Schiano than the Tennessee Athletic Department and several other schools. The crazy thing is most of this information is readily available via Google. But phone calls to Bill Belichick and Urban Meyer and a couple of other coaches apparently nullifies any accusations ever leveled against him. Nevermind that this same "vetting process" would've said Jerry Sandusky was A-OK. The UT Vols message board and Twitter communities are very active. There's been a lot of discussion about potential coaching candidates. No candidate attracted as near universal disgust as Schiano did. This is primarily because his questionable integrity became obvious in the heated message board discussions where everyone was forced to deal with his long track record of questionable ethics. People are not willing to overlook the statement by Mike McQueary (who is viewed by the public as a much more honest and reliable witness) than Schiano (who has a long record of lying and manipulating and less than stellar integrity.)

"Guilt" is a standard for a court of law; not for major high-profile positions. We'll never know the precise facts regarding Schiano's knowledge of Sandusky's crimes, but the idea that you just make a man this with long of a track record of ethical issues the face of one of the nation's largest public universities, hand him a $5 million salary, and put him in charge of hundreds of people (including many young impressionable 18 - 23 year old men) just because Bill Belichick says "he's OK" is ludicrous. "Guilt beyond a reasonable doubt" is not the standard. "Proven integrity" should be the standard for a high-profile public position. That standard is nowhere close to being met by Schiano. Obviously, no one is perfect and many football coaches have flawed records, but there are much larger question marks about Schiano than any other candidate mentioned. You can't hire a guy simply with questionable integrity simply because his integrity hasn't been debunked in a criminal trial in a court of law.

Tennessee fans were right. I'm proud of the Tennessee fans that shut this down. We were 100% in the right. You don't make this guy one of the most powerful persons in the state of Tennessee and the face of the flagship university when you have major questions about whether he'd stand up to sexual abuse. The Art Briles scandal at Baylor happened just a few years ago, and the media is seriously trying to say we have no legitimate concerns? The hire may have very well destroyed the entire program. Contrary to the media's biased reporting, this was not a "football thing." Many of us UT fans would've been disappointed with a mediocre hire, but we still would've supported the team.

Schiano was the line in the sand. He was a mediocre hire whose integrity was very much at question. It honestly would bring tears to my eyes to know that a man who may have protected Jerry Sandusky would be wearing Tennessee orange on the sidelines and speaking as the voice of the community. A poor coach is one thing; this was quite another.


The national sports media should be ashamed for trying to demonize Tennessseans for standing up against sexual abuse. With all the stuff that has come out against Harvey Weinstein, Bill Cosby, Roy Moore, John Conyers, etc, etc, etc, you'd think a small group of Tennesseans who took a hard-line against sexual abuse would be hailed as heroes. Instead, we're being treated like 'dumb hillbillies' who 'think they deserve too much.' And then the media wonders how sexual abuse continues to happen. The allegations against Schiano have not been proven in a court of law, but that doesn't mean we should rush out and hire the guy just because Urban Meyer and Bill Belichick vouch for him. These are major question marks for a person leading young men and Schiano does not met the standards of integrity that should be expected.
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BaldBiker said:
All I'm saying tonight (because I'm ******* tired and just got home from K'Ville), regardless of the hire at this point, my funding has ended until The University of Tennessee proves to me personally that they deserve to get my money back.

There's a bunch of ******* retards in the AD...and I'm pretty sure those may have been the exact words I used when I left. Hiring a decent to good coach may not be enough to bring my $$$ back. There have got to be major changes in the way UT handles their affairs. There are people with money at the top that have to go..or at the very least, realize they are stupid and back the FU** off.

For now....It's time to spend time with my family

I'm sure AtlVol probably put things much more eloquently than I, But forgive the Marine in me for saying what I mean bluntly.

Adios mi amigos :hi:
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Crap sounds like Currie and Haslam won and don't care about anything else
 
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bcartervol98 said:
Seriously talked to yes but unwilling to seriously pay for.
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For the love of God why not? Your football program brings in over 100 mill a year and we refuse to pay what it takes to get a top coach in here? They don't mind paying 350 million for a stadium renovation but they won't pay 6 or 7 for an actual coach? I want everybody in that administration fired.
 
#4,271
#4,271
I think a lot of these Grumors were fueled by boosters. I think the boosters were trolled by the AD. If They were lied to, I bet fund raising is going to be difficult.
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
Tee Martin just sitting there waiting by the phone. The players want him, the former players want him, I think the fans would love him, this is so easy. Could be wrapped up right now.

What does he bring?
1. He loves TN. Can’t overestimate that importance.
2. Best recruiter in the nation. Would bring in the talent.
3. Has been a top notch OC at USC.
4. Great receivers coach.
5. Knows how to win here
6. Would have a confidant and advisor in Fulmer
7. Fans would give him time and support

This is so obvious. What are they waiting for?
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My guess is the Haslams. Don't think for a minute they are not pissed the fans scuttled Schiano. My guess is they are looking for a way to shoot the fans the bird and put us in our place.

We are proud to announce we are bringing Derek Dooley back with Butch Jones as OC and Sal Sunseri as DC!
 
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If we have to pay because of the MOU surely that means Currie must be fired right
 
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