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Is there evidence that he Haslam family had anything to do with this or are we just venting?

too many things add up. Currie being a choice against the fan base wishes, Haslam pushing for Schiano and cleaning the Browns front office of people who disagreed, the sneaky method of this makes the previous point brighter and reports that an important decision maker pushed it. Haslams have been known to be like this and have proved it with the Browns.
 
Is there evidence that the Haslam family had anything to do with this or are we just venting?

First off nothing happens over there without their approval. Second off we have multiple articles where the Browns wanted him for their head-coaching position but the president shot it down. Haslam later fired him. Banner is his name. He has been very vocal on twitter about this.
 
Hopefully they realize it’s gotta be someone with UT connections at this point to bring the fan base back around. Like Tee or Cutcliffe etc. Gotta bring some stability
 
The USC offense is myopic, predictable, and easy to contain:

Tee Martin and the USC offense has yet to establish more than 3 consistently viable offensive threats in a game outside of the Stanford contest. Usually it is only two threats the defense has to worry about. That makes it very easy for defenses to blanket Burnett, provide bare minimum coverage to any other receivers and use the remaining 7 or 8 defenders to crash the box. For those of you wondering what happened to the running game or why the line started to struggle seemingly out of nowhere, this is why. The Trojans have 5 offensive linemen and on literally almost every play the defense is bringing intense, physical pressure from seven to nine players in the box. There is no way the offensive line, even when fully healthy, can consistently open up running lanes or keep Darnold upright when he stays in the pocket. Unless USC can establish a robust passing attack, this will keep happening.
It is a pretty simple defensive formula that everyone is going to pattern in some way as long as it keeps working and that should be an advantage for the Trojans. Imagine knowing almost exactly what the defense is going to do, or at least the broad strokes, before you even begin to watch film and create your offensive game plan. That would seem like a massive gift to an offensive coordinator and yet for the last three games Tee Martin, armed with this knowledge, continues to serve up an offense destined to fail. The offense continues to do the same things over and over, never break tendencies, and fail to put the players in a position to succeed.
Here is the bulk of the USC playbook at this point: most of the time run out of a 3 receiver set with the TE close on the line and one running back with the QB either in shotgun or pistol formation.
Run between the tackles usually to the same spot and into a loaded box
Quick pass underneath 6 yards or closer to the line of scrimmage to 2 players
Deep pass thrown inaccurately and into traffic
Begrudgingly throw to someone else only on occasion and abandon it afterwards
Seriously, this is pretty much it. Occasionally they will mix up the formation in a failed attempt to disguise the plays but this is pretty much the entire offense at this point. No disrespect to any defensive coordinators out there but you do not need to be a defensive mastermind to figure this offense out. In addition to this hopeless simplicity there are five major detriments that plague Martin’s offense and none of them have to do with a failure to execute:
Painfully predictable tendencies
Poor formations that make things easier on the defense
Failing to use players’ strengths and sometimes failing to use players at all
Poor play design and a failure to properly set up plays
Near total inability to disguise plays or trick the defense

Article about Tee's offense.
 
I think that Ergen is a bigger booster than Haslam right?

His net worth is astronomical, but Haslam has had more pull over the years, look no further than governor, AD treading carefully trying to balance the 2 opposing forces, but inevitably sides with political power
 
Guys Charlie Ergen isn’t the savior he’s been made out to be. Fantasy stuff orchestrated by that beaver troll.

100%. Deer park... who was right as usual, except Nike... said he was cheap and would never care that much to do what was alleged in making a power move
 
100%. Deer park... who was right as usual, except Nike... said he was cheap and would never care that much to do what was alleged in making a power move

The whole beaver thing was so dumb. I would have been more vocal about it but ATL vol is golden here so not allowed to question him.

Going forward I think ATL has some explaining to do. My take is he is a nice guy with some money but isn’t what this board thinks he is.
 
Responding to a lot of posts all at once here...

The talk about not wanting him regardless of the PSU stuff is exactly the problem here. (And I agree, I didn’t want him either.) Danny K is catching heat here (surprise), but I don’t know that he’s that wrong, truthfully — the PSU rumor about Schiano knowing about Sandusky was a convenient reason to torpedo the hire. The PSU stuff lacks credibility, and that plus the fact that people see our fan base as expecting to get Gruden (i.e. sky-high expectations) will make them question why we revolted against the hire.

Especially coming after the Cuonzo petition (which I didn’t sign but didn’t mind either), we just nuked ourselves, Missouri-style. And now people are clamoring to hire Tee, just like Missouri ran to Barry Odom.

Whoever the next coach is, I am pleading with Vol Nation to be patient. It may be very slow progress getting back to the top, but doing what we are doing (turning on Butch when he was making progress) isn’t going to work. There isn’t a Saban we can go hire. We are going to have to scratch and claw out of this mess.
 
Head coach is the OC

This. Clay Helton controls things and a lot of people I’ve read or listened to seriously question his coaching ability.

What would be perfect is if we hired cut and made tee coach in waiting. Cut and Fulmer would prepare tee for the job, meanwhile tee would lockdown top 5 class after top 5 class. Imagine him in recruits living room with his national championship ring on. No one can sell Tennessee like Tee Martin can. Bring. Him. Home

#FireCurrie
 
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I imagine Ergen could get together a few other huge boosters and pull support, he was probably led to believe Currie would hear the drumbeat of war and could not imagine he could be this stupid, like the rest of us. If the anti Haslam faction doesn’t align quickly now there is truly no hope
 
The problem with all this is the Haslems have a degree of separation in all of this. To the casual fan they don't realize that the Haslems are pulling the strings. Most don't even know who hires the chancellor, or the AD. The Haslems need to be exposed for who they are. I'm just not sure how you go about it. Social media is a powerful tool. I'm going to do my part by never pulling in a pilot again.
 
Tee Martin is an upcoming coach. He will be a head coach in the SEC one day. He is a great recruiter.

I know it's early for him, but it unites the fanbase. We've tried going out of house for 3 straight hires. Maybe let's try the opposite.
 
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I imagine Ergen could get together a few other huge boosters and pull support, he was probably led to believe Currie would hear the drumbeat of war and could not imagine he could be this stupid, like the rest of us. If the anti Haslam faction doesn’t align quickly now there is truly no hope

Amen to that. The time has come for others to make a move against the Haslams.
 
Responding to a lot of posts all at once here...

The talk about not wanting him regardless of the PSU stuff is exactly the problem here. (And I agree, I didn’t want him either.) Danny K is catching heat here (surprise), but I don’t know that he’s that wrong, truthfully — the PSU rumor about Schiano knowing about Sandusky was a convenient reason to torpedo the hire. The PSU stuff lacks credibility, and that plus the fact that people see our fan base as expecting to get Gruden (i.e. sky-high expectations) will make them question why we revolted against the hire.

Especially coming after the Cuonzo petition (which I didn’t sign but didn’t mind either), we just nuked ourselves, Missouri-style. And now people are clamoring to hire Tee, just like Missouri ran to Barry Odom.

Whoever the next coach is, I am pleading with Vol Nation to be patient. It may be very slow progress getting back to the top, but doing what we are doing (turning on Butch when he was making progress) isn’t going to work. There isn’t a Saban we can go hire. We are going to have to scratch and claw out of this mess.

It's a little more than a "rumor". A man stated under sworn oath that Schiano knew about that stuff.
 
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Tee Martin is an upcoming coach. He will be a head coach in the SEC one day. He is a great recruiter.

I know it's early for him, but it unites the fanbase. We've tried going out of house for 3 straight hires. Maybe let's try the opposite.

This. But I have no confidence Currie makes this happen. We’re going to hire no name Joe who is even less qualified
 
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