Official Gruden Thread 39

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HearForGrumors said:
That's a totally valid point. However, that is somewhat out of the scope of what I was writing about.

I believe that the package they put together was adequate. That's the relevant part.

If Gruden hasn't turned us down yet, then I have to believe that is a strong sign. Ultimately, it doesn't matter how beautiful you are, consent is still required.

If Gruden's ultimate interest is all that prevents the deal - then it okay. The deal was there, assembled, with all stakeholders in agreement - that's a big win moving forward no matter who the coach is going to be. I like the guys like Exile who have info its already done.

I think there is a very believable narrative that it comes down to announcement timing (and could be for Gruden's sake).
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Did you catch my posts early this AM in Gruden 38?

I'd like your input on the MOU portion specifically. But feel free to give you input on the whole if you would like.

GV in Gruden #38 said:
My thoughts?

Fairly simple, he's interested enough to be mulling over the final contract and/or already committed. Remember, we keep hearing an MOU was signed. HearForGrumors and CWV (and the other lawyer types that deal in that area that I might have missed) can shed better information on how many times someone backs out after negotiations have gone that far, but I'd dare say the percentage isn't high at all. Because when two parties agree in principle on something and the details just need to get ironed out, the details tend to get ironed out. One side knows how bad the other wants it and are playing the process (Beaver alluded to this I believe) to get additional concessions and the other side eventually relents or counter-proposes in the middle where the other party really wants to be.

An analogy would be those of us .mil folks that have been deployed to the Middle East and seeing the off base vendors with the fake Rolex watches. The vendors start at a price of $100 and maybe they get it. But generally? They are willing to settle for about $20 or so. But they always start at the ridiculous levels because of the PT Barnum rule.

Gruden very likely has a smart agent. He'll start at the ridiculous level, but be willing to settle for something a little less. Currie knows this and is willing to give up a little on that front as well to meet in the middle where he knows it will end up. But you never start by giving the mouse a cookie. You haggle, negotiate, propose, claim unreasonableness, maybe even walk away for a short while, come back and give in slightly, let the other side give in a little and eventually end up where they wanted and you are willing to give.

Something our politicians in Washington have forgotten how to do. (and that's a non-political statement) But anyway...

Gruden hasn't flat turned us down nor shot it down yet because either the process is so far along the minor details are going to be ironed out or are so petty they won't affect the overall outcome. And the outcome?

He's agreed in principle to be the next coach at UT. He knows it, Currie knows it, Peyton and Fulmer know it (notice how suspiciously quiet those two are?), the money men know it and they know the deal will get settled if it hasn't already.
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FacelessArya said:
Ok. I want you to really think about this and answer. Would the University troll us-but not intentionally? Maybe they were trying to create a stir, to build up this story of Jon and VFL’s coming home, but it has gotten out of hand? They’ve underestimated the hunger Vol fans for relevancy? And they are on damage aka time control?
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I think they really know how hungry we,as a fan base, are
 
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I FEEL like I know all you guys.I'm following this zthread when I'm awake. Since I had to retire from masonary because of blindness.the insiders are great.DTO,Boro,AV,Don't think I'll use the beaver as a insider. Dang did I say that?? Well hell,bottoms up.Does Ape drink peppermint shnops
 
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HearforGrumors...you're in my foxhole too!!

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Can somebody post the link that has currie handing GRUDEN THE contract with the star wars theme please.
 
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OrangePill said:
Trust me, I'm a fan like you so I completely understand the hopeless feeling. Just realize that Atlanta is an incredibly good guy who we frankly don't deserve to have. To have a fairly influential booster taking time out of his day and business interests to give us updates is something very few fanbases have. He's never going to purposely mislead us, and he is getting his information firsthand unlike every other "insider" here including me.

I think if AV didn't feel somewhat close to 100% confident then he would do everything he could to soften the blow. The last thing they want is for this Grumor Volcano to continue to bubble over if it wasn't a realistic possibility. No one involved in this would want unrealistic expectations that cannot be met as it would only lead to an unhappy and restless fanbase. It does seem from his post however that this deal isn't signed despite what people (including me) have heard.

My one word of advice as a fan is to pay close attention to Jon Gruden tomorrow. He will undoubtedly be directly asked by the Seattle and NFL media about this opening, the Raiders, and the Bucs. If he has decided over the weekend that he is no longer interested then he'll put it to rest. Tomorrow starts a new media cycle & no sane non-narcissistic person would allow this to go on for another cycle if it is over. That would not only be unfair to us, but more importantly Cindy and his son who is at UT.

Lastly, I believe this quote from AV's post is very important and lines up with what almost anyone with legitimate info has said: Timing is a huge issue with this hire regardless of whether Gruden has said yes or not.
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I was not knocking AV at all. He is an awesome person I agree.

The point # 6 that you quoted is one of the reasons I said what I did. I think that AV was saying that the deal wasn’t “done,” but wasn’t off the table either.
 
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OldTimer said:
my $.02 and TIFWIW...........Gruden is taking the job and out of respect of his potential staff getting bombarded with speculative questions with a week left in the season, he’s holding off the announcement until next week. No denial and too much smoke is out there.
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i will say, that if there is a deal, and he is going to be the coach, this probably makes the most sense since gruden has gone on record many times and talked about respecting the current staffs, and not wanting to be a distraction etc.....i could definitely see him making that kind of request/requirement for announcing the hire.
 
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EZE said:
Even if all of this is true, the “guys that don’t miss” may have overlooked one key item. What if they got everybody on the UT side lined up, but they failed to consider Gruden turning it down?
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Valid point but do you think the movers and shakers in this went blindly without intimate knowledge that in 2012 there was absolute interest from Gruden taking the job then and our AD fumbled the opportunity away ?
 
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OrangePill said:
Lastly, I believe this quote from AV's post is very important and lines up with what almost anyone with legitimate info has said: Timing is a huge issue with this hire regardless of whether Gruden has said yes or not.
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Timing is everything. If Currie goes to the Bahamas this week, we should all take that as a good sign.
 
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OldTimer said:
my $.02 and TIFWIW...........Gruden is taking the job and out of respect of his potential staff getting bombarded with speculative questions with a week left in the season, he’s holding off the announcement until next week. No denial and too much smoke is out there.
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That’s my only theory as well.

If no announcement is made after the Vandy game, it’s probably a bad sign of Gruden turning us down and Currie is still searching for a HC.
 
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andywilson001 said:
Let’s not forget that official visits had been “on hold” since the Georgia game, until last week. They scheduled several visits for the Vandy game but none for the LSU game.

Why would they not schedule any for the LSU game? Peyton Manning and the ‘97 SEC Championship team was there. Seems like a great recruiting opportunity (minus the rain)... That, to me, says there is something about the Vandy game that recruits will be very interested in.

EDIT: This is assuming they didn’t know about the storm when they scheduled the visits. If they knew how bad it would be, that would explain why they didn’t schedule any.
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I've thought from the very beginning that Gruden would have an instant impact on recruiting. BUT, you can't afford to cut things so close with early signing, and every day without an announcement leaves us a smaller and smaller margin for error.
 
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So did the Grudster sign the MOU or not? Or is he still thinking about taking the job?
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wNCeTNnGAVOL said:
If you are in the area, his brother Jamie has Jolly Rogers in Ellijay that is just as good.
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Nice, thanks. What was the name of Tim's place? I haven't been that way in years. I think I will go back in the Spring, maybe ride some bikes down that way.
 
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UTVolinExile said:
I've thought from the very beginning that Gruden would have an instant impact on recruiting. BUT, you can't afford to cut things so close with early signing, and every day without an announcement leaves us a smaller and smaller margin for error.
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So when do you think it’s announced now?
 
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#747
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Get this done- verbal agreement minimum
Force Hand Purely $$$- He is wanting something else, may be time.
Have someone already- announced


Originally Posted by Atlanta VOL:
6. There is a sense of urgency to get this done as quickly as possible but you can’t force someone’s hand purely with $$$. If it were that easy we would have someone already.
 
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ShowMeThemTD's said:
I will say this about Beav and leave it at that ... he told me to DM him Friday night about golfing after I made the reference my picture shows me at the Honors... we have DM'd a few times since and talked about golfing and courses from here to Florida.... he sincerely invited me to play a round with him and we even swapped email addresses to set it up.... Beav is no troll completely 100% agree with HFG description of his role
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Uh.. how did you DM him if he doesn't follow you?
 
#749
#749
OrangePill thank you for helping keep us informed when you can..Go vols! Good night Vol Nation..sounds like an interesting Monday is almost upon us.
 
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