Official Jon Gruden Thread XXVIII

[newyorkvol]

Dude, you sound like you need to (1) smoke less meth and (2) watch less Law and Order.

You are wrong. I'd agree with you, but then we'd both be wrong.

Love that quote. Like, “I’m not arguing. I’m just telling you why I’m right.”

 

[tribe80]

did anyone get the total Attendance for last night, I know it was better than expected but fans were spread out alot u couldnt tell by looking.

The folks on TV announced 95k plus a few

 

[Vol_atile]

I didn't see where anyone else mentioned this, but when Butch stepped off the plane in Knoxville almost 5 years ago, all he had signed was an MOU. Not one person was on here discussing if it was a legally binding document.

Why do some of you demand to believe in worst case scenarios?

once bitten twice shy

 

[tvolsfan]

So Butch is announcing tomorrow he's retiring and Gruden announces on MNF(ESPN) tomorrow tonight he's accepting the HC position at UT....I'm good with that :rock2:

I think they would want to wait longer than that.

 

[UTVolinExile]

Ask yourself are legally binding contracts and MOUs if constructed with payment penalties (what if the payment penalty was $100 million rather than $10K?) allowed to be kept secret as part of a State of Tennessee institution?

It's like you are intentionally missing the point.

 

[HearForGrumors]

why leave $300 bucks an hour on the table

Insurance defense. It's a huge pile of work, and very steady. Client always pays. And, it's the market rate.

For everything else, I charge $500 per hour. $125 for my assistants.

 

[KnoxSkiVol]

This is just plain wrong. No part of CBJs contract limits the ADs ability to hire another coach. And, nothing prohibits the University from hiring 2, 3, or 4 head coaches if they so desired.

There would be no treble damages ever in this case, since the buyout is a liquidated damages clause - stating the value of a lost contract.

Perhaps, if you asked an attorney about how contracts work you wouldn't devote minutes of your life to spreading completely false information.

I want to like this 1000 times.

 

[Stogie Vol]

Στο λόφο

 

[Coastypop]

Let me retract what I said this morning. If Jones does not announce something today or tomorrow, the less firm I am on Gruden. I thought he would resign. But obviously, this is not going to be the case. I will take my lumps...I was wrong!

Very honorable of you my man

 

[HearForGrumors]

You guys are cracking me up, as if grilling the board attorneys is going to have anything at all to do with the actual substance of whatever document Gruden has signed to indicate his acceptance of employment at a particular time.

Believe the folks who think he is coming, or don't. Your belief will affect only one person: you. If you mope around depressed, again that's only on you. Those bringing info and reason for good cheer will continue to enjoy the anticipation of Grude times to come.

Correct. My entire point is that it is possible. Not that it has happened or will happen. Just that the deal could be done now, if the parties wanted it to be.

 

[daj2576]

It's like you are intentionally missing the point.

It’s not a simile, it just is.

 

[Hammer85]

Στο λόφο

Who is on the hill?

 

[Orange&White]

Interesting story with MOUs in sports is Billy Gillispie when he was Kentucky's basketball coach. They effected a MOU, but he never officially signed a contract. It caused a little bit of a legal battle.

 

[Tush Hog]

SIAP...HankHill in the RF(somehow connected to the team. Talks of being at practices and on sideline) says there is lots of chatter around the office today of Butch resigning tomorrow. He says that there previously wasnt any chatter of this until today. TIFWIW

This has probably been asked a thousand times, but what is RF?

 

[Volbrando]

SIAP...HankHill in the RF(somehow connected to the team. Talks of being at practices and on sideline) says there is lots of chatter around the office today of Butch resigning tomorrow. He says that there previously wasnt any chatter of this until today. TIFWIW

Whether it’s true or not it would be smart of BJ to exit on a positive note after a win

Would help him look better as well when wanting another job

 

[joevol33]

This has probably been asked a thousand times, but what is RF?

Recruiting forum

 

[joevol33]

Whether it’s true or not it would be smart of BJ to exit on a positive note

I agree, but I’m not sure he would.

 

[FleeceItOut]

Seeing a lot of negative posts.

Would someone be kind enough to give a Quick 3-5 sentence summary of where things stand at the moment?

 

[Daddernit]

SIAP, but I noticed LBJ had the Power T pin on his jacket again this morning during the BJ show

 

[HearForGrumors]

It's like you are intentionally missing the point.

$100,000,000 would be excessive, and EVERY COURT would likely reduce it to $10,000 or nothing.

This stuff doesn't happen in a vacuum.

Also, you could send a FOIA request, but it would take 60 days to hear back. This making it a waste of time.

 

[Hammer85]

This has probably been asked a thousand times, but what is RF?

Recruiting forum

 

[SmokeyLives]

I'm one of the few in the camp that thinks Gruden would be a mediocre hire. At the NFL level, Gruden was known as a great X's and O's schemer on the offensive side of the ball. His weakness was player development. The problem is that in college football, player development is much more important than in the pros.

The two college coaches that were the most Gruden-like in resume and / or style have also failed. Jim Mora looked like something close to a "home run hire" in UCLA. And indeed, in the first few years, Mora improved results significantly over his predecessor Neuheisel. Neuheisel went 21 - 29 in 4 seasons, finishing 6-7 in his last year. Mora went 9-5, 10-3, and 10-3 in his first three seasons. But the results have collapsed over the past three seasons as he's gone 16-17. I think this showcases a similar theme, that Mora was good at the X's and O'x, but not player development, and results improved initially, but have dropped over the long-term.

The other Gruden-like coach was Bill Callahan at Nebraska. Mind you, I'm not claiming that Callahan was as good as Gruden, but he basically ran the same style of offense and the results were pretty disastrous. He was 27-22 at Nebraska and 5-7 in his last season. His players never seemed to fully understand his complex offense.

To me, I'd see Callahan and Mora as warnings that Gruden probably isn't well suited for the college game. The one benefit of hiring Gruden is that he'd probably get top 5 classes for several years due to his name recognition and personality, but unless he could improve on player development, significantly simplify his offense, and basically hire an all-star cast that could help compensate for his shortcomings, I'm afraid he might not end up being much different from Callahan or Mora. Then again, maybe I'm underestimating Gruden, and he has a good understanding of his weaknesses and who he needs to hire to fix those problems. But as OP, said, I'd much rather target other coaches (Fuente, Frost, Mullen, Venables) before Gruden.

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[Carson11]

Agreements have been made. Currie will not fire Butch until contract is signed. Contract wont be signed until after Vandy. If this falls apart between now and then we still have Butch. CBJ will not be fired if the deal were to fall through. There will be no buyout to bring in another unproven coach.

Why wont future coach go ahead and sign a contract? CPF, respect for the players and CBJ. There is nothing good that would come out of firing him now.
JMHO of course....

 

[Sstterry]

Remy, I'm not here to argue but you're basing your opinion off incomplete information.

We have no idea what has been agreed to my Currie and Jones. Currie may have already fired Butch or told him he would not be retained unless x, x, and x requirements have been met.

They could have already signed another contract or modified the existing one.

Here is what it boils down to.

Look at what happened at Texas with Strong/Herman.

If you think there wasn't a signed MOU in place with Herman before the press conference firing Strong then no one can convince you.

That deal was done way before he was ever fired and any competent agent would protect his client (Herman) to ensure he got was promised before he ever agreed to take the job.

You just need to take a step back and look at this logically.

And I'm not saying there had been a MOU signed, or Butch fired, or anything.

The truth is we don't know.

But saying it's impossible while a coach is still in place isn't true.

The simple word, If can remedy any problems with a sitting coach and a MOU

 

[InVOLuntary]

This talk of Gruden becoming less likely the longer Butch Jones is head coach strikes me as odd. I don't think one has anything to do with the other.