Recruiting Forum Football Talk XLI

[etmVol]

Yeah not all concussions are noticeable. It's why so many in NFL and college have played with one without anyone knowing. Sometimes the player doesn't want out and will do whatever to look fine. It's just part of being an athlete. Not saying anything like that happened here but it's not always easy to tell someone is concussed

This is very true. I honestly can't count the number of times I've had my bell rung and never displayed outward symptoms. And even on the hits to the head that did cause outward symptoms (wooziness, eyes glazed, slow/slurred speech, double vision, memory issues, etc.), I never puked. It's a lot easier to play it off and act like everything is fine than most realize. Most concussions do not come from highlight reel hits that knock someone out.

 

[BigZiti09]

Which comes back to Butch who is overall responsible.

He would just be expected to discipline/fire his coach depending on the details of the situation.

Butch isn't directly responsible here. At least not based on what we know and can assume.

We are talking about a guy who is coaching his final games anyway. Only thing this could do (based on what we know so far) is possibly speed the clock up on firing him which is going to happen soon anyway.

 

[Nash_Vol97]

Maybe Currie is responsible as Well. Fire anyone that was in charge of wells.

Lol what a reach. Typical move

 

[bignewt]

Nope. That stuff with Crowder was true. Remember that Cincinnati player who came out and said he saw Butch hit players there consistently?

I've also heard a rumor Butch put his hand around a player's throat in the football cafeteria.

Well first I have ever heard of that he must of paid off about what 75-100 witnesses? Oye Vey.

 

[scvolfan7]

You are embarrassing yourself

If standing up for players safety and well being is “embarrassing myself” then I will gladly continue to do it.

 

[WarMachine]

Didn’t read the article you linked, was that coach fired with cause?

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Beckman leaves Illinois with a lackluster 12-25 record, including 4-20 in Big Ten games. He will not receive the $3.1 million remaining on the last two years of his original five-year contract or the $743,000 buyout, the university said.

 

[Aesius]

Could this concussion thing hurt the program/Currie in a way that would make it difficult to hire a new coach?

 

[Nashvegas31]

That’s fair. I still look to butch as the “caretaker of Tennessee football” and he did a 💩tier job of it. His negligence left BK in a nightmare scenario. Concussions are a serious injury that require immediate medical attention and the fact that he was still out on the field at risk of sustaining more damage is inexcusable.

I will say if he created the culture part of avoiding medical staff then he absolutely is at fault there... have to prove that thiugh

 

[BruinVol]

Didn’t read the article you linked, was that coach fired with cause?

Yes. Iirc he was proven to have told players to stay out of the training room thru intimidation

 

[volfanCLT]

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Thanks. Will be interesting to see what becomes of this whole situation.

 

[bignewt]

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Ill say this if Beckman's record was reversed he would still be the coach.

 

[VolGee4]

I’m saying that butch should have noticed kendrick was concussed. His teammates noticed. Why didn’t he?

I can't argue with ignorance. Sorry.

 

[scvolfan7]

I will say if he created the culture part of avoiding medical staff then he absolutely is at fault there... have to prove that thiugh

I mean yeah it’s hard to prove but the head coach is supposed to be the guy that creates a program’s culture

 

[volfanCLT]

Could this concussion thing hurt the program/Currie in a way that would make it difficult to hire a new coach?

As it’s being reported currently, I don’t think so.

Would only negatively affect the staff, mostly Wells.

 

[scvolfan7]

I can't argue with ignorance. Sorry.

You can’t argue period. That’s your problem

 

[85SugarVol]

Nope. That stuff with Crowder was true. Remember that Cincinnati player who came out and said he saw Butch hit players there consistently?

I've also heard a rumor Butch put his hand around a player's throat in the football cafeteria.

Oh Boy!

 

[bignewt]

If standing up for childrens' safety and well being is “embarrassing myself” then I will gladly continue to do it.

Said those administering the Salem Witch Hunts.

 

[InVOLuntary]

Then why do you have medical professionals and people on the sidelines that observe for the league? It's totally asinine to jump to that conclusion. The head coach has a game to manage.

They're evidently not on the field but in the press box.

 

[LakeMaryFLVol]

Soon

 

[VolGee4]

You can’t argue period. That’s your problem

I am an attorney and do it every single day. Good luck with jumping to conclusions.

 

[BigTimeVol95]

Well first I have ever heard of that he must of paid off about what 75-100 witnesses? Oye Vey.

Man some of you guys love discussing sports but don't get sports or have never played. There are some things that get shoved under the rug because of the herd mentality. It doesn't have to be reported nationally to be true. Talk to players or people close to them for 30 minutes and you can find out a lot about Butch and his outbursts

 

[Nash_Vol97]

He would just be expected to discipline/fire his coach depending on the details of the situation.

Butch isn't directly responsible here. At least not based on what we know and can assume.

We are talking about a guy who is coaching his final games anyway. Only thing this could do (based on what we know so far) is possibly speed the clock up on firing him which is going to happen soon anyway.

Look, I’m not about trying to fire Butch over the chance that he knew as it was speculated earlier, but if the latest news from Clays article are true, then he is overall responsible for what happened. Does that mean that I think Currie should fire him immediately with cause? No. But I gaurantee Currie will be using this to get more buyout money back from Butch. Whether that happens this week or in the next couple weeks. Currie now holds all the cards. What he does with them is anyone’s guess.

 

[VolGee4]

They're evidently not on the field but in the press box.

Regardless, the league has responsibility (and maybe liability) too.

 

[scvolfan7]

I am an attorney and do it every single day. Good luck with jumping to conclusions.

Well I’m a philosopher king so that’s what I do best

 

[WarMachine]

If players are required to report themselves to trainers... well, we all know very well the mentality of the toughest S.O.B.s who play football. You'll know they have a concussion when they can't crawl off the field.