Recruiting Forum Football Talk XLI

[JCP201]

Don't know, but that can't have been Butch's call. That's the trainers' responsibility, isn't it?

You would think.

 

[bignewt]

There's never been confirmation that any medical staff SEC or otherwise was ever informed and cleared him or even evaluated him.

Then how is that on the coaches?

 

[HankHill]

Wut?

I'd take Gilbert Gottfried if I thought he could win us an SEC title.

Everyone is constantly talking about how he has the “it” factor and how intense he is. Never hear about Actual xs & os. Just about him playing scout team and being jacked.

 

[BruinVol]

There's never been confirmation that any medical staff SEC or otherwise was ever informed and cleared him or even evaluated him.

So Butch should have evaluated him?

 

[Grey_pilgrim]

That would look worse than Florida and Mac.

Let’s see, claiming to receive death threats vs playing a kid that was visibly shaken. Yep one of these things is not like the others.

 

[jave36]

KEndricks didn't remember second half? He should have been through concussion protocol. Why did they put him back in?

That's not Butch's job. They have a whole fleet of independent, autonomous medical staff for that.

 

[jave36]

I own a company, if one of my employess screws up, it comes back to me. I am culpable for my employees. Butch is culpable for the people on his sideline.

Also, there's been zero confirmation that anyone cleared anybody.

You are 100% false.

Not in this case. The training and medical staff do not work for Butch. They are intentionally employed by 3rd parties or the university so the coach can't overrule them.

 

[jave36]

You're kidding yourself if you think the coaches don't overrule the medical staff all the time.

We don't know it happened here but there's a little bit of smoke.

Not anymore. They literally have no authority over the medical staff.

 

[McGeesPub]

Everyone is constantly talking about how he has the “it” factor and how intense he is. Never hear about Actual xs & os. Just about him playing scout team and being jacked.

For chrissakes, look at the man's wife!

 

[InVOLuntary]

They are on the sidelines to monitor situations like this. Come on voly.

**** happens and it doesn't always have to be the head coaches fault or anyone's for that matter. Medical officials are in a tough soot and they miss things

You are assuming that he was evaluated, I don't believe he was. If he had been evaluated, he wouldn't have been cleared IMO. If you look at my OP, I said he was culpable to some extent, maybe it's very minor, but he has some culpability here.

ALso, I am no Butch hater. I've repeatedly said we owe the man a huge debt of gratitude. I've also been an advocate for them releasing him sooner rather than later for that very reason. The longer he's on the sidelines the more people forget what he's done.

In addition, I don't think this is an attempt to fire him with cause. I think the buyout has been determined and he'll get what he agreed to. I think this incident may be enough to go ahead and remove him from this toxic situation.

 

[InVOLuntary]

Then how is that on the coaches?

If one of the coaches noticed something and didn't alert the medical staff?

 

[Nash_Vol97]

Who has the link to the press conference? Can’t find it on UTsports.com

Edit: is there one or is it only vol calls?

 

[BruinVol]

You are assuming that that he was evaluated, I don't believe he was. If he had been evaluated, he wouldn't have been cleared IMO. If you look at my OP, I said he was culpable to some extent, maybe it's very minor, but he has some culpability here.

ALso, I am no Butch hater. I've repeatedly said we owe the man a huge debt of gratitude. I've also been an advocate for them releasing him sooner rather than later for that very reason. The longer he's on the sidelines the more people forget what he's done.

In addition, I don't think this is an attempt to fire him with cause. I think the buyout has been determined and he'll get what he agreed to. I think this incident may be enough to go ahead and remove him from this toxic situation.

Ok. I agree he likely wasn't evaluated


It 120% isn't Butches job to evaluate players for concussions

 

[drvenner]

Hyams has confirmed the Kendrick story. Wow.

That. Is. Quite. Bad.

 

[InVOLuntary]

So Butch should have evaluated him?

How about: "Hey Billy Medical Dude! Kendrick is acting all kinds of fudged up. How about taking a gander at him?"

 

[Grey_pilgrim]

Also doesn’t butch have a history of playing guys after possible concussions??? Didn’t Hurd have one in the Georgia game last year???












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[Nash_Vol97]

Curries statement + Hyams tweet = ?

 

[WarMachine]

I have never seen a coach take a fall for a concussed player staying in a game and it won't start now. If they are looking to fire with cause and avoid the backlash in the coaching community no way is this the tipping point.

Aug. 28, 2015: Illinois fires football coach Tim Beckman over mishandling of injuries - Chicago Tribune

 

[jave36]

If one of the coaches noticed something and didn't alert the medical staff?

Come on man, you're reaching. Why do you assume they noticed something or are even capable of noticing anything?

 

[BruinVol]

How about: "Hey Billy Medical Dude! Kendrick is acting all kinds of fudged up. How about taking a gander at him?"

Lol.

How much dialogue does Butch have with OL during a game?

 

[InVOLuntary]

Not in this case. The training and medical staff do not work for Butch. They are intentionally employed by 3rd parties or the university so the coach can't overrule them.

His coaches have a responsibility to notify said independent medical staff of a situation, no?

 

[Z06VolinWV]

I own a company, if one of my employess screws up, it comes back to me. I am culpable for my employees. Butch is culpable for the people on his sideline.

Also, there's been zero confirmation that anyone cleared anybody.

You are 100% false.

Ha, wish my company owner felt that way!! He's as close to perfect in every aspect of life, in his eyes, as it gets!! Lol

 

[Nash_Vol97]

Lol.

How much dialogue does Butch have with OL during a game?

Y’all are failing to see that it doesn’t have to be Butch. ANY coach could have noticed the signs and missed it/ignored it. In the end, that might fall on Butch.

 

[Grey_pilgrim]

Ok. I agree he likely wasn't evaluated


It 120% isn't Butches job to evaluate players for concussions

He claims to be the caretaker of UT football. If he’s going to make such a claim then this ultimately comes back to him. He is responsible for putting the players on the field.

 

[drvenner]

False. If the trainer and SEC official signed off on Him playing Butch is clear. The head coach isn't going to know all that goes on on the sideline

The possible issue is if he told a member of the coaching staff how he was feeling and they did not send him to the doctor but told him to go back in.