Official Jon Gruden Thread XXV

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Volfan2012 said:
I sometimes wonder why we want Gruden so bad. He did win a Super Bowl and that is about it. Other than that season and one more he was below .500 as an NFL coach and ended his career 100 and 85 with a playoff record of 5 and 4. Other than his NFL career he was a position coach in college has never been the head man. So he is the guy that most want to be the coach here, but I don't see a lot of good coaching years. He was 4 and 12 one season and 5 and 11 another. Of course he has that Super Bowl.
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I can't shake the feeling that we are like Dudley Moore in the movie "10" and Gruden is Bo Derek. We want him because he seems cool & out of our league but once we get him......
 
#730
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Dr. Jerry Punch said he talked to Grudens people a few days ago and he is not going to coach college football and nothing has changed since 2012. He said its a 365 day a year job and Jon is comfortable in life.



TIFWIW
 
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I mentioned this in the ESPN layoff thread. Surely has an impact...

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Hawkpilot said:
You missed the administrative part of UT that has to relinquish some control and authority to the athletic dept. Boosters say sign our guy or we take our money elsewhere. Everything else is what I'm thinking. Currie has to make it work. That's the pocket aces reference. Boosters have all the cards. Like all the draw 4's in UNO..does that help LOL
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i think your post and my response to pocket aces crossed in the mail ... tell me how i'm doing when you read it.

i think i'm with you tho.
 
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Vol4ever said:
Dr. Jerry Punch said he talked to Grudens people a few days ago and he is not going to coach college football and nothing has changed since 2012. He said its a 365 day a year job and Jon is comfortable in life.



TIFWIW
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What s he supposed to say?
 
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Coastypop said:
I am still totally on the GRUDEN train.... percentage hasn't been lowered nor anything.... I am more convinced than ever that Butch is gone (timing just not worked out yet) and more hopeful than ever that Gruden will be our new coach.

Would also like to add.... I have more trust than ever in DTO, Boro, OldVol, Docvol and several others....

GO VOLS and GO GRUDEN
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This is the stuff that helps me keep the faith. SOON! LET'S DO THIS!
 
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HearForGrumors said:
You've got it. The idea is where is Currie is he walks away. BATNA is essentially what happens if both parties walk away, what position are you in?

It gets far more complicated with multiple parties and numerous deal possibilities. For example, let's hypothetically say that Currie DOES have a deal with Mike Bobo. If he walked away from the Gruden deal, he'd still have the Bobo deal (his BATNA).

Now, if the coalition of boosters have said, "If you don't accept the Gruden deal we've brought you, we will discontinue donations in the amount of [$ HUGE], then Currie's BATNA would be (Bobo deal value - Booster money).

This is essentially the game theory approach MIT talked about. The deal that is being taken to the University is good enough that they shouldn't say no, in addition, the penalty for failing to accept the good offer is good enough that they shouldn't say no. Hence, I believe, is why he feels so confident.
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So the hold up....if you're Currie you have to sleep on it, waiting on timing, or do you still have to convince someone? There is the question
 
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HearForGrumors said:
You've got it. The idea is where is Currie is he walks away. BATNA is essentially what happens if both parties walk away, what position are you in?

It gets far more complicated with multiple parties and numerous deal possibilities. For example, let's hypothetically say that Currie DOES have a deal with Mike Bobo. If he walked away from the Gruden deal, he'd still have the Bobo deal (his BATNA).

Now, if the coalition of boosters have said, "If you don't accept the Gruden deal we've brought you, we will discontinue donations in the amount of [$ HUGE], then Currie's BATNA would be (Bobo deal value - Booster money).

This is essentially the game theory approach MIT talked about. The deal that is being taken to the University is good enough that they shouldn't say no, in addition, the penalty for failing to accept the good offer is good enough that they shouldn't say no. Hence, I believe, is why he feels so confident.
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Make so much sense ....... don't know why I didn't think of it.... o yeah .... old and dumb
 
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Vol4ever said:
Dr. Jerry Punch said he talked to Grudens people a few days ago and he is not going to coach college football and nothing has changed since 2012. He said its a 365 day a year job and Jon is comfortable in life.



TIFWIW
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Maybe true. Or....

“I will not be the coach at Alabama”
 
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Vol4ever said:
Dr. Jerry Punch said he talked to Grudens people a few days ago and he is not going to coach college football and nothing has changed since 2012. He said its a 365 day a year job and Jon is comfortable in life.



TIFWIW
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Sounds like a controlled narrative. Hard to speculate about a job that isn't technically open yet.
 
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Coastypop said:
Hyams has been saying there is 0% chance Gruden would come to Tennessee .... If that is true, why would he feel the need to recheck his sources?
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Until I hear it come out of Gruden's mouth I don't believe anyone that says we have no chance of hiring him. Especially from Hyams.
 
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revjayp said:
The way I understand it, is there are 2 options. One is Gruden and it’s what the majority want other than the main one, Haslem. Haslem wants something and has a scenerio and since he was the one who “approved” Currie, Currie feels beholdened to him. Except that if he goes that route, he will lose 10’s if not 100’s of millions of dollars in booster support. But if he goes with what most want, it could cost him his job and legacy, so he thinks.

His options are to 1) surrender to the main man and lose the support of thousands of people but make Haslem happy. Or 2) do what everyone wants, bring in millions of dollars to the school and be the hero everyone thought you were while possibly being blacklisted by the family.

Am I close?
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if that's the case, it's a no brainer then.
besides, if all the boosters stood up to haslem, then what leg does he have left to stand on.
 
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Rizzo924 said:
Y'all are killing me! I took Hawk's comment to be what Beaver said last night about Currie assessing his BATNA, which will be 1/10th as good. That doesn't jive with the assistant coach issue. Am I down the wrong rabbit hole.
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I wouldn't think they would tell their boss they will not do what he is asking them to do (being interim). They could then be fired for insubordination which means no buyout. And didn't someone say at least 2 of them want interviews.
Maybe there was more to it that would have looked worse on the University, but I'm sure these coaches realize they will probably be looking for a job soon and have to think about how their actions now may affect their next job.
 
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