Official Jon Gruden Thread XXV

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zydane47 said:
I can't really answer that question, but that still doesn't say he's fired, cause he can't come out and openly talk about a recruit anyway.

Fairly positive that's against the rules.
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New NCAA rule permits coaches to retweet recruits on Twitter.
 
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HearForGrumors said:
Good afternoon Grudenites:

I've been following the Gruden Threads since well before MIT's posts were deleted. I've been lurking here for years. This is my first post. (I tried to get in a few days ago, but I got buried in the mountains of new requests with the recent hubbub.) I just wanted to share a few thoughts.

DISCLAIMER: I AM NOT AN INSIDER! I HAVE NO PRIVILEGED INFORMATION AT ALL. EVERYTHING THAT FOLLOWS IS EITHER PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE, OR MY OPINION.

I wanted to clarify a few legal points that keep recurring:

First, there is no language in CBJ's contract that precludes the AD from interviewing new candidates. There is no exclusivity clause, etc. Barring some regulation that I've not found, UT could have two head coaches if they wanted. Anyone who thinks that Currie is barred from discussing an opening with potential candidates is mistaken. It may be poor form to do it publicly, but it is within the purview of the position of AD to offer the position to coaches who fit the criteria.

Second, there is 100% no obligation for UT to leave the job open for any period of time, or to vet X number of candidates before hiring anyone. Someone did post the relevant regulation, but it got washed over quickly. In a position like this, one candidate is all that is needed (and you could hire him before firing the other one).

Third, deals can be done, and based on conditions. For example, the Gruden deal could be totally done on the condition that CBJ goes 7-5 or worse. In that case, should CBJ go 8-4 then the Gruden deal would be void. This is important for anyone wanting a way to reconcile MIT's "deal is done" verbiage. (My personal opinion is the same as SFD, the deal was done on the Gruden side, and being taken to the AD. The "carrot," if you will.)

Fourth, it would not be surprising at all to see CBJ accept a buy out option. Like has been posted elsewhere, by negotiating a lump sum, he may actually receive more in total compensation. Every time I see someone say that CBJ would not accept a buy out option, I cringe. Stahp it.

Fifth, We all like transparency, but its hard to work in chaos. The AD is now operating quietly and discreetly. The result is the murmurs and grumblings we are seeing now. There is nothing wrong with grumbling, but from the AD perspective its easier to deal with vague grumbles than exacting criticism and involvement of having the whole world in your thoughts. This is not uncommon in these types of deals. Just have patience. If you don't have meaningful influence, keep it to social media. When the deal is done we'll know where we are and how we got there. (I'm thinking a 30-for-30 is totally warranted.)

Sixth, IMO, a CBJ game is equal in effect to an interim if you have your guy. It only makes sense to switch to an interim if you think the interim can do better than your coach. In this case, I think any interim is a totally unknown quantity. Just let it play out, these folks aren't stupid. Maybe egotistical and self destructive, but not dumb.

Seventh, haters end up on preacher's list. You don't want to be there.

To say a little about me, and why I have opinions on the law and deals, I'm an, in fact, an attorney. I do complex litigation that almost always involves complicated settlements between as many as 20 distinct parties. I concentrated my legal education on contracts, negotiation, and dispute resolution. I took every sports law related course offered at my school (one that focuses on sports law quite prominently. It has a top 3 ranking for sports law).

I believe. The facts are coming into the light. The ducks are in their rows. It's just a matter of time.

Soon.
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My favorite Oct 2017 poster!!!
 
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VolPenn said:
Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face. My read on this: something is really gumming up the system that was completely unanticipated up until this point. I genuinely don't think anyone in their right mind should believe Butch isn't lame duck at this point and something weird happened last night that caught the AD off gaurd.

If any of you have worked in a massive corporation on a large-scale project, you know you can have a plan ready to go, all the kinks straightened, risks addressed, and then a massive hang up appears out of nowhere, like a vendor going out of business or the like.

I don't know how many more times we have to mention Butch hasn't tweeted since Georgia. That's a HUGE difference to his usual MO, anyone remember "Retweet Fridays." There also have been 0 recruiting trips and AtlantaVol has already mentioned he's been working with Cade in the background. I'm sure other boosters are doing the same.

My point: let's look at the forest and not the trees. Is it concerning? Yes. Does almost everything else other than Butch's firing line up to a positive note? Yes.

As for insiders, look at all the tidbits slipping from Swain and the like now. It's all lining up. This has been rumbling since S. Carolina. Heck, even myself who has just a friend of a friend of Gruden's son knew Gruden met with boosters during S. Carolina weekend.

Just chill out. Maybe it does fall through, but until we start hearing negatives, relax a bit.
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Typed the forest analogy at the same time...dibs lol
 
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I'm retired. I'm drinking beer. And I'm drunk. We need
To fire butch boy and get this nitemare over with. Too much drama for an old soldier.
 
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Hawkpilot said:
Pocket Aces.
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Pocket aces, sometimes known as bullets, or rockets, is the most powerful starting hand in No-Limit Hold'em and also the easiest hand to play. It's very hard to lose money playing this hand unless you are either very unlucky or a very bad poker player.

Edit: Stole this from Google.
 
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I sometimes wonder why we want Gruden so bad. He did win a Super Bowl and that is about it. Other than that season and one more he was below .500 as an NFL coach and ended his career 100 and 85 with a playoff record of 5 and 4. Other than his NFL career he was a position coach in college has never been the head man. So he is the guy that most want to be the coach here, but I don't see a lot of good coaching years. He was 4 and 12 one season and 5 and 11 another. Of course he has that Super Bowl.
 
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Volfan2012 said:
I sometimes wonder why we want Gruden so bad. He did win a Super Bowl and that is about it. Other than that season and one more he was below .500 as an NFL coach and ended his career 100 and 85 with a playoff record of 5 and 4. Other than his NFL career he was a position coach in college has never been the head man. So he is the guy that most want to be the coach here, but I don't see a lot of good coaching years. He was 4 and 12 one season and 5 and 11 another. Of course he has that Super Bowl.
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Let's not do this.
 
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VFLnSFD said:
Now THAT is how you do a first post! Especially the part about me being right about something. :)
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yeah, we saw how that Daniela thing worked :)





j/k.....just finished reading last 500 pages of previous thread after life things got in the way....what a shame :ermm:
 
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zydane47 said:
SoonerVol said:
Then someone is going to have to explain it to me, cause for the longest time Beaver was saying it was done, 100%, so why would there be a fiscal issue?

Cause if Jones and Co. are gone either way then wouldn't there still be a fiscal issue?

So again, someone needs to explain it to me cause I'm not seeing it
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He is speaking of the UTAD. Their hand is being forced to either be the hero or the zero.
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Coastypop said:
Paul Finebaum just said Butch is going to be fired NO MATTER what happens and HE knows He is going to be fired
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He also said continue showing up for the games. Take your family and have a good time. I know if I lived closer to Knoxville I would be taking my family this weekend. Butch is gonna be fired just don’t give up on the team. Go Vols
 
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