Obama to decline public financing

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#101
TennNC said:
Maybe watch something other than FoxNews. Maybe read one of his books. Maybe read an in-depth article about him. Maybe check out his website. Maybe attend (or watch) a speech. Maybe talk to some people who support him.
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I have read his book and I find much of what I read and what Obama claims to be now at odds with each other.
 
#102
#102
TennNC said:
Maybe watch something other than FoxNews. Maybe read one of his books. Maybe read an in-depth article about him. Maybe check out his website. Maybe attend (or watch) a speech. Maybe talk to some people who support him.
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I qualify on all but his books. Here's my take. Initially, I was fascinated by Obama. While I've never agreed with his politics, I respected his ideals as a new politician and his motivational ability.

As I've watched his speeches, examined his policies and listened to his attacks of McCain, corporations, wealth, etc.; it's become clear he is not a new style politician at all. He uses the same tricks, obfuscation of the truth, denials, reversals, and parsing that any politician would use.

This doesnt' make him unique. On the contrary, it makes him quite similar to a typical politician. His policy ideas are old-school democratic ideas. He openly speaks of redistributing resources from the rich to everyone else. He claims to support businesses yet his rhetoric and policy plans are distinctly anti-business.

In the end, he is losing his uniqueness (IMHO) as a change agent of a new style and merely becoming a standard politician without any applicable executive experience. McCain is likewise a standard politician but at least his policy views are much closer to mine and what I believe to be in the best interest of our country.
 
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TennNC said:
Of all I've read and heard and seen about this man, your post is the first Obama-Hitler comparison I've encountered.
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I'm not comparing the two, I'm telling you that Hitler had similar qualities you are espousing as leadership. He was a motivational speaker, could rally the masses and said exactly what the German people wanted to hear. He was also young and little known prior to his meteoric rise to power.

That's not at all saying Barack is deranged as Hitler was. That's saying that the values you are today spouting as some sort of leadership in Barack say nothing of his agenda and his ability to lead our nation toward anything. They say he can incite a crowd full of sycophants thirsting for his specific message.

That's it. Shirk the message all you'd like, but the substance of Barack Obama is your missing piece and you're not likely to find it, since it changes routinely.
 
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TennNC said:
did we all lose our collective short-term memory today?

Is it Groundhog Day?

Maybe it's just me, but I feel like we've been down this path approximately nine dozen times.

I'm not going to plead his case again to you all. I know what you're responses are - they're recorded somewhere in a previous thread.

Good day.
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we've been down it, but have never gotten to the substance of Obama as a presidential candidate. Most of the responses have been about his speaking ability, Bush sucks, change and Obama's only a socialist in the eyes of the right wing nut jobs perusing the board.

Never have I read something of substance that Obama has actually done in his life that would lead me to believe he has any ability beyond that of saying, in a very exciting manner, that which his minions want to hear.
 
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allvol123 said:
This is fun. You could reply with the pros about Obama, but obviously that would be an even shorter reply.
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What is this, remedial message boarding?

Here you go:

Post #61
http://www.volnation.com/forum/politics/29121-disliking-obama-politics-pigmentation-5.html

Post #106
http://www.volnation.com/forum/politics/47519-more-shocking-info-obama-8.html

I'll also add that he's smart, that he's a constitutional scholar, that he clearly understands technology and its impact on society, that he is youthful and energetic, that he's got an ability to organize and motivate people, that his support comes mostly from small, individual donations (which tells me that a lot of people are motivated by him), that he is willing to meet with people on all sides (not just those who want to tell him what he wants to hear), that he's got "presence," that he doesn't seem to get too flustered by anything that comes his way, that he's great in front of a camera, and that he's active enough to play pickup basketball with a Final Four team.

FWIW, I also echo these sentiments:

HisSpace

Goodbye to All That: Why Obama Matters

Connecticut Bob: Why I support Barack Obama

Matt Littman: Why I Chose To Support Barack Obama - Politics on The Huffington Post

Obie Fernandez: Ten Reasons Why I Support Barack Obama for President
 
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#106
BTW, I've also answered some things I disagree with about Obama (prompted by allvol123's question, of course), but I'll let people look that up again if they choose.
 
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TennNC said:
What is this, remedial message boarding?

Here you go:

Post #61
http://www.volnation.com/forum/politics/29121-disliking-obama-politics-pigmentation-5.html

Post #106
http://www.volnation.com/forum/politics/47519-more-shocking-info-obama-8.html

I'll also add that he's smart, that he's a constitutional scholar, that he clearly understands technology and its impact on society, that he is youthful and energetic, that he's got an ability to organize and motivate people, that his support comes mostly from small, individual donations (which tells me that a lot of people are motivated by him), that he is willing to meet with people on all sides (not just those who want to tell him what he wants to hear), that he's got "presence," that he doesn't seem to get too flustered by anything that comes his way, that he's great in front of a camera, and that he's active enough to play pickup basketball with a Final Four team.

FWIW, I also echo these sentiments:

HisSpace

Goodbye to All That: Why Obama Matters

Connecticut Bob: Why I support Barack Obama

Matt Littman: Why I Chose To Support Barack Obama - Politics on The Huffington Post

Obie Fernandez: Ten Reasons Why I Support Barack Obama for President
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It sounds like you would vote Brad Pitt for President.
 
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TennNC said:
I'll also add that he's smart, that he's a constitutional scholar, that he clearly understands technology and its impact on society, that he is youthful and energetic, that he's got an ability to organize and motivate people, that his support comes mostly from small, individual donations (which tells me that a lot of people are motivated by him), that he is willing to meet with people on all sides (not just those who want to tell him what he wants to hear), that he's got "presence," that he doesn't seem to get too flustered by anything that comes his way, that he's great in front of a camera, and that he's active enough to play pickup basketball with a Final Four team.
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He's smart, which has value, but I think his ego keeps him from surrounding himself with people smarter than himself, which is a big problem IMO.

He's an attorney, just like John Edwards. Guess they're both constitutional scholars?

He uses the internet to raise money so he gets technology - that's good stuff. While the linkage there is shoddy at best, I like your creativity. I assume you think his archaic notion of non-personally managed retirement funds works here too? Maybe the age old tax the rich and gift the poor that makes him sound hip to you?

He's youthful and energetic and nobody cares. That can do nothing but hurt him in the international arena. Youthful and woefully inexperienced means less than nothing on that front.

He can organize and motivate sycophants, but putting together a campaign is hardly new ground and having much of the dem and press machine behind him helped dramatically. I don't think you can make this inference from what you've seen, but I know you're try hard at it.

I don't know the breakdown of his support dollars, but I don't buy that it comes from the dollar donation type on the internet. Moreover, a give away money liberal slick talker is exactly who the college crowd is after. Do we really want a president who best sways our early 20 somethings? Is that a measure of a statesman?

His willingness to meet people on all sides is 1) only in theory and yet to be seen in practice 2) wildly misguided in terms of international relations and 3) a ridiculous virtue when the opponent has spent his political career offending those in his own party because he's willing to listen to ideas rather than ideology.

His "presence" is a figment of the press' imagination and has only been proven in the confines of his lackeys. If his presence were overwhelming, he wouldn't be in a dead heat with a boring R on the heels of two disastrous R terms.

The last 3 points, who cares. We're looking for a president, not a movie star or ballplayer.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
He's an attorney, just like John Edwards. Guess they're both constitutional scholars?
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Professor Obama was a listener, students say :: CHICAGO SUN-TIMES :: Barack Obama

Professor Obama was a listener, students say

February 12, 2007
BY ABDON M. PALLASCH Legal Affairs Reporter
It was only three words in his 20-minute speech announcing his candidacy -- "taught constitutional law." But his students and colleagues at the University of Chicago say those words would make Barack Obama a different kind of president.

"It certainly is an advantage that he really knows the Constitution of the United States," said Professor Cass Sunstein. "I don't know if we have had a president that knows as much about the founding document as he does."

The buttoned-up University of Chicago Law School is best-known for producing conservative jurists like Antonin Scalia, who taught there before becoming a U.S. Supreme Court justice.
 
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TennNC said:
And that matters because...?
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. . . because he has an inordinate number of small contributors that are undisclosed because they are donating less than $200. The system invites large contributors to skirt the law by bundling large amounts of money into small undisclosed donations . . . no doubt a major reason why he did a complete 180 on his pledge to stay within the confines of public funding for his campaign.

I don't really blame him for the switch since it is a logical decision . . . He just needs to slow down on the "change" and "I'm a different kind of politician" BS. He can't have it both ways.
 
#120
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TennNC said:
Professor Obama was a listener, students say :: CHICAGO SUN-TIMES :: Barack Obama

Professor Obama was a listener, students say

February 12, 2007
BY ABDON M. PALLASCH Legal Affairs Reporter
It was only three words in his 20-minute speech announcing his candidacy -- "taught constitutional law." But his students and colleagues at the University of Chicago say those words would make Barack Obama a different kind of president.

"It certainly is an advantage that he really knows the Constitution of the United States," said Professor Cass Sunstein. "I don't know if we have had a president that knows as much about the founding document as he does."

The buttoned-up University of Chicago Law School is best-known for producing conservative jurists like Antonin Scalia, who taught there before becoming a U.S. Supreme Court justice.
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well, there you have it. he's a listener and constitutional scholar. I'm much more interested in his ability to lead our country and his approach to the economics of our nation. He gets to appoint an attorney general and accompanying slew of attorneys to be constitutional scholars. We don't need him to be one.

Our last great attorney president was a constitutional scholar as well, and from him we got stuff like "it depends on what the definition of is is" and a disbarment.
 
#121
#121
Obama must be of the school of thought that thinks the Constitution is a "living" document and should be altered to reflect the times.
 
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MG1968 said:
Obama must be of the school of thought that thinks the Constitution is a "living" document and should be altered to reflect the times.
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Maybe. Perhaps he might follow Dubyah's cue and just sidestep it! They would be much easier than worrying about altering the darn thing! :whistling:
 
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TennNC said:
Is that all we got from him?
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in terms of the constitution, that was probably the top of the list, from there it heads south to RBG's activist approach.

You can think it's a plus all you'd like, but it hasn't proven so in the past.
 
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