Official Jon Gruden Thread XIX

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UTVolinExile said:
MKEvol, good post on tortious interference, not quoting due to length, but that is definitely an issue here. I think it also explains some of what we are seeing.

TI requires:
1. A legal contract in effect,
2. Knowledge of the contract by the defendant,
3. Defendant INTENDS to induce a breach of the contract,
4. Defendant acts "maliciously" to induce a breach,
5. Contract is ACTUALLY breached,
6. Defendant's malicious, intentional act is the proximate cause of the breach, and
7. Plaintiff is damaged by the breach.

A lot of legal concepts there, but it explains a couple things:
1. Butch's status has to be resolved. Gruden is clear of TI if Butch's contract is terminated by negotiation between Butch and UT.
2. Gruden has been super quiet. Normally he loves talking about UT, see the bowl against Northwestern for example. When he comes to UT for the SC game, he wears no orange and isn't on the sidelines. He is a father meeting with his son. Taking no visible action that could be construed as inducing UT to breach.
3. All the noise about missing on Gruden fuether helps protect Gruden from a claim of TI.

Things to ponder. Props to MKEvol for bringing it up.
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A little legal knowledge trumps all of the "I know a friend who knows a friend who plays golf ..." stuff.
 
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rgvol said:
Irma just made a little mess here not bad at all. Come on down😀
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May do that for my Bday :). Like the Island Inn over on Sanibel and their restaurant. Used to go in July and Nov with timeshare in family back in 80's and 90's at South Seas. Ol Captain Als.was there .Bubble Room (still is I believe) We really like the Mad Hatter when we come down now..Great food
 
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UTVolinExile said:
Correct, but we can say that "contracts of employment" are not specifically covered under the Tennessee statute of frauds. TCA 29-2-101 I think, if anyone gets bored of Grumors and wants something else to read. :)
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If they are for more than 1 year, I think they are covered.
 
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LakeMaryFLVol said:
May do that for my Bday :). Like the Island Inn over on Sanibel and their restaurant. Used to go in July and Nov with timeshare in family back in 80's and 90's at South Seas. Ol Captain Als.was there .Bubble Room (still is I believe) We really like the Mad Hatter when we come down now..Great food
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My wife works at the dunes in Sanibel. If you like golf can get ya a round on the house. And yes the bubble room is very cool
 
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Warning! Do not accidentally end up in the RF for a couple of hours before realizing your not in the Gruden thread! Your hopes will be destroyed...and you will come back and be 15 pages behind. Note to self. Lol
 
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Orlando Vol said:
“I guess the reason I shared my conversation is that it actually made me believe that Gruden might actually come here — which I want personally.

I have been skeptical about all of this, partly because I have believed like a lot of people that “JG has a great gig, why would he leave” — but after remembering what my buddy went through back in (April?) wondering if he was going to be let go, I talked with him a few times that day checking in on him — it made me think he might have some “info” on the possibility.

After my conversation with him today, in which he told me that JG was rumored to be one of the casualties (because of his high salary), and continues to be speculated about as a possibility in the next round of layoffs when it comes — it gave me a different outlook on my previous mindset regarding his “cushy” job.

Make sense? I am not trying to represent that I have any direct info regarding a potential hire, just info to be taken how you want...”

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There, I’ll save you the trouble of trying to find it — a conversation I had with someone who has a much better idea than most about who is rumored to be let go when the next round of layoffs come. “Office gossip” if you will. ;)

To be fair, anyone with a huge salary would be a prime target, so TIFWIW.
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Thanks for the info. Unrelated: I have family that used to live in Winter Garden and some friends still there. My family is actually there visiting right now. They used to own The Attic Door downtown before they moved to Hawaii and eventually sold the business to some friends of theirs.
 
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Omg. Basilio sounds like he's about to slit his wrists.

He and his cohost are lamenting over the news Butch is going to coach the Kentucky game.

Basilio said he heard there is no plans to fire Butch right now.
 
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EZE said:
If they are for more than 1 year, I think they are covered.
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Not to get off topic because SoF is highly theoretical at this point in time (since we invented the printing press and made it super easy to document agreements), but its weird because even a 3 year employment agreement can "be complete within a year" by firing or the coach leaving. So it would satisfy the "under 1 year requirement. Like I said, its weird, but its of no use here because everything is written down nowadays.
 
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FacelessArya said:
Omg. Basilio sounds like he's about to slit his wrists.

He and his cohost are lamenting over the news Butch is going to coach the Kentucky game.

Basilio said he heard there is no plans to fire Butch right now.
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Yet, earlier this week he was reporting negotiations on a buyout. He doesn't have a clue...just like us.
 
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MiramarVol said:
Nope, just following what was said and what you've said.
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I'm kidding... :)

No need to vet me, what I posted is 100% true -- although, it has 0% to do with us "hiring Jon Gruden" -- just something I heard, which makes me more inclined to believe in the possibility of landing the GRUDE.

I am NOT and Insider. I don't claim to be, nor would I want to be held to that standard. :)
 
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UTVolinExile said:
Seen. I think your conclusion is supported by solid evidence. I buy this.



I think you are 100% dead on here.

Your overall theory is excellent. Let me add a couple of data points that I think are positive.

1. Vegas line move. +2000 down to +1200 is a huge shift, and you can't attribute it to a bunch of Twitter and internet posters scrambling to drop $500 on a bet.

2. Gruden hasn't said anything. If he's not been approached, there's simply no way he lets the speculation get to where it is without some sort of statement.

Personally, I think the timing of the small comments we got yesterday indicating negotiations were ongoing, followed by the explosion of every possible Grumor you could imagine, supports a conclusion that the AD had reached a specific milestone in talks, and started an orchestrated misinformation campaign.

The whole thing is fascinating to watch. Keep your eyes open, SFD! 😁👍
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Could not agree more! As I sift through all of the information that is out there, the ones that keep coming to the forefront and seem, to me (imho), to be the most telling are the absolute facts, no rumor He has said nothing to put this to rest, Vegas doesn't care about rumors, they are in the business to make money and are dropping the betting line. Most intriguing and telling for me is his appearance in Knoxville and in the stands during the SC game. He could have handle that in several different ways. He could have not been visible at all also, he could have done what he has done each time he has been on campus during Butch's tenure and that is sporting his UT gear, visible on the sidelines, seen with Butch pregame, in the locker room talking to the players. I mean, this is a guy that, during Khalil McKenzie's recruiting, came in for Butch and put on the big orange boonie hat to send to Khalil. It speaks volumes to me that a. He was visible b.He was in neutral colors c. He was not seen publicly with Butch, not even in the locker room before the game to talk to the team.

So, yeah, I am with you. The facts far outweigh any and all rumors.
 
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MKEvol said:
Not to get off topic because SoF is highly theoretical at this point in time (since we invented the printing press and made it super easy to document agreements), but its weird because even a 3 year employment agreement can "be complete within a year" by firing or the coach leaving. So it would satisfy the "under 1 year requirement. Like I said, its weird, but its of no use here because everything is written down nowadays.
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With that said, I think we can all agree that it is highly unlikely that there is an enforceable contract of any kind.
 
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B EaZy40 said:
Thanks for the info. Unrelated: I have family that used to live in Winter Garden and some friends still there. My family is actually there visiting right now. They used to own The Attic Door downtown before they moved to Hawaii and eventually sold the business to some friends of theirs.
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I believe I may have been on a cruise, and met your family that owned the Attic Door.
 
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MKEvol said:
Not to get off topic because SoF is highly theoretical at this point in time (since we invented the printing press and made it super easy to document agreements), but its weird because even a 3 year employment agreement can "be complete within a year" by firing or the coach leaving. So it would satisfy the "under 1 year requirement. Like I said, its weird, but its of no use here because everything is written down nowadays.
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God I've purged the majority of Contracts class from my memory in the 4 years since taking the bar. Same goes for most property law principles, criminal law principles and secured transactions/negotiable instruments.

The only contracts I currently deal with whatsoever are insurance contracts...and even then only in the context that they may contain an exclusion of coverage, etc. It's true what they say....if you don't use it, you lose it.

Now torts and Civ Pro...THOSE are things I deal with daily.
 
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VolsFanJC said:
Could not agree more! As I sift through all of the information that is out there, the ones that keep coming to the forefront and seem, to me (imho), to be the most telling are the absolute facts, no rumor He has said nothing to put this to rest, Vegas doesn't care about rumors, they are in the business to make money and are dropping the betting line. Most intriguing and telling for me is his appearance in Knoxville and in the stands during the SC game. He could have handle that in several different ways. He could have not been visible at all also, he could have done what he has done each time he has been on campus during Butch's tenure and that is sporting his UT gear, visible on the sidelines, seen with Butch pregame, in the locker room talking to the players. I mean, this is a guy that, during Khalil McKenzie's recruiting, came in for Butch and put on the big orange boonie hat to send to Khalil. It speaks volumes to me that a. He was visible b.He was in neutral colors c. He was not seen publicly with Butch, not even in the locker room before the game to talk to the team.

So, yeah, I am with you. The facts far outweigh any and all rumors.
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Pretty much my thoughts after last Saturday verbatim.
 
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EZE said:
Yet, earlier this week he was reporting negotiations on a buyout. He doesn't have a clue...just like us.
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Lol, yes. He said he heard from people in the program that there is no plan to fire Butch, then said in the almost same breath, after his cohost questioned him, that it was just his opinion!

😂😂😂
 
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EZE said:
Yet, earlier this week he was reporting negotiations on a buyout. He doesn't have a clue...just like us.
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I wonder if UTAD is pushing that message due to a favorable result of negotiating Butch's buyout, just to put on the appearance that Butch is actually willfully "resigning" to save face. This would have been UTAD's source of leverage in negotiating a reduced buyout, IMO.
 
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Can someone give me some insight on JBC coming in as OC? Sounds more like a fake rumor. Dude has it made as OC in Detroit, Gruden would arguably want to call the plays for UT Offensively. Don't get me wrong I'd love it. It just feels like the whole Peyton for QB Coach thing.
 
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