Official Jon Gruden Thread XIX

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Is Beaver really trying to get people to celebrate with him over his "info"? Attention whore troll gonna attention whore.
 
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If somehow we pull off a miracle this weekend, I will oscillate between complete euphoria and complete horror with an efficiency never seen before
 
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vol9799 said:
I've read all of this garbage and I've gotten sucked in like everyone else. Here's my take.

I've made a decent living from being able to synthesize data, extract the relevant information and draw correct conclusions; but I've never seen anything like this.

I have no contacts, info, etc. I'm trying to form an opinion here and wading through all the manure to get there is a chore.

Theories:
Butch's fate was sealed weeks ago and an agreement has been reached on his resignation. Some effort to get the horse back in the barn after the info leaked out, but this one is done. Too many reliable folks indicating this.

Jon Gruden is a candidate, the candidate, for the job. Same as above. Too many reasonable people reporting this information. He is a candidate, not a unicorn.

Gruden's original answer prior to seeing any offer was, "no thanks." One respected writer on TOS explicitly said over a week ago Gruden would not be the next coach at UT. Over time it became apparent his sources came from the Gruden camp, not the UT camp.

Gruden's original answer reminds me of Saban's original answer when Bama was courting him. What else could Gruden say, especially since we still have a coach. But it wasn't a final answer, since he didn't have all the information.

Solid leaks aren't coming from within UT. It's been detailed how Currie works and how tightly he keeps the lid on searches. Staff have apparently been reminded that leaks can lead to "future endeavors." Widely reported that very few, perhaps less than 5 other people, are privy to the actual progress of the search. Given this, it precludes any of the leaks coming here or elsewhere from being related to people directly involved. So, they're either related but not directly involved parties at UT, friends and family of the Gruden's or folks full of crap. I suspect we're seeing all three in this thread.

Nothing will be finalized, announced, etc with any coach at this point. The idea that some folks have that a deal will be reached now and information will be dispersed is ridiculous. They've not even announced Jones' departure. No verifiable information will emanate from UT until after the resignation is announced.

The Gruden deal is not dead. There are too many problems with this theory. First, if Gruden is truly Currie's 1-10th choice, then being turned down once or twice would not deter Currie. Likewise, Gruden's agent isn't going to just go along with whatever first theoretical offer is tossed out. As folks have said this will be protracted and fluid. Second, things shifted from stunningly positive to despairingly negative too fast. I suspect on that regard, Currie got tired of the leaks and decided to put out misinformation. Not to hide the fact that a deal was done, but just to relieve pressure and keep as many folks as possible out of the process. Third, as several folks have pointed out, the money is moving against the general sentiment. There's a reason that people don't beat the market investing. Those with information don't speak, they just move money. If there was real momentum that he was going to a pro franchise instead of UT, the odds would not have tumbled the way they did.

The visit to Knoxville, the house hunting and the messages from the fraternity angles have been overplayed. None provide any real evidence of Gruden's intentions. These to me are nothing but red herrings that make great internet rumor fodder. Would be different if the Grudens didn't already have so many ties to the area, but because they do, there are plenty of reasons for them to be in town and looking to buy a house and live there at least part of the time.

On the other hand, the money is not an issue and neither is MNF. These are things that can be worked out fairly easily if parties on both sides are motivated.

So all this typing to conclude this:
- Jones is gone and it appears this will become public sooner rather than later.
- Coach Fulmer will finish the year, at least the regular season
- Gruden is being recruited, but it's still in process. No decision points have been reached.
- The good feelings from the past two days reveal he was more receptive than some thought, but no more than that.
- The bad feelings today are either over-reaction to natural negotiations or a smokescreen to throw people off the story
- No deal is inked or dead with any candidate. I believe the earliest we'll hear about any full-time coach hire will be the week of Missouri or LSU. Gruden or otherwise.
- I hope like heck it's Gruden, but I believe JAV and others in that even if it's not, I don't think there is any chance we're pulling from the MAC or Sunbelt this time.
- I have wasted an inordinate amount of time on this mess and I'm going to bed.
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Quoted this synopsis from last night because I wanted it seen by the morning people... Don't know if this is what is happening.... but should be read
 
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knucklehead_vol said:
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He's about the only one who can put pen to paper with all these BS rumors out there. I get it some of you know a guy who knows a guy who mows a boosters lawn and you're getting 4th hand information that the Gruden deal is done. And that might be true but I keep going back to the game of telephone when information changes hands the more that gets added to it. So the original information was probably there is a level of interest to OMG Gruden signed the contract
 
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BWong15 said:
If somehow we pull off a miracle this weekend, I will oscillate between complete euphoria and complete horror with an efficiency never seen before
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I don't think you have anything to worry about with being conflicted. It's gonna be straight up horror.

But it's ok-cause....SOON.
 
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UTAlum03 said:
I'm curious since you're a Memphian...are your sources connected to the Thompson family? My husband knows them pretty well...and I hadn't really even thought about seeing if he could find something out through them until this very moment. Ha!
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Here's my email. I see other *******s are here...

tll.com

Gone
 
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Just as was the case 5 years ago,this thread has provided brevity and humor and hope and optimism mixed with anger and tomfoolery. Who's right, who's wrong, we will see in the near future.

I have to believe that if the buyout is done, Butch is done this weekend. Period. Makes absolutely no sense to continue on after this weekend IF the buyout is done.

If the buyout is done, and we have been all in on Gruden, I think we will know the outcome shortly after Butch is announced dead. We will either hear what we hoped for, or we won't.

I hope we get him, I think we are close to actually realizing it. I think that we should know by Tuesday if Gruden is our coach "in waiting" so he can close his loose ends.

The announcement will also allow, behind the scenes, some sort of information concerning the coaches who will be retained (think rb Gillespie and db charlton, maybe Hoke) as there needs to be some sort of continuity with recruiting and maybe minus Hoke I think the other 2 will remain in some capacity allowing them to go full tilt on recruiting while the staff is put together and Gruden closes down his old life. That's if it is announced. I do not see any positive to withholding or delaying the announcement if he is hired.
 
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DeepSpringsVol said:
Whoever asked about the Mission trip kid. JT Mapu. Urban Meyers accomplishments are alot different in 06 if JT Mapu isn't called for personal foul with contact to Chris Leaks head. That called back Marvin Mitchell's pick six. Still ticks me off. If that play stands and Mapu doesn't get a Championship. Meyer doesn't get 06 NC!
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This is pretty random, you ok?
 
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UTAlum03 said:
I'm curious since you're a Memphian...are your sources connected to the Thompson family? My husband knows them pretty well...and I hadn't really even thought about seeing if he could find something out through them until this very moment. Ha!
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Let me know of you got it or not.
 
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m1al said:
Mornin' Grudesters.. How's our schizophrenic thread doing?.. I see we have a new batch of 'insiders' keeping us up to date. Also we have a few amateur Joe Kendas rummaging thru said insiders 'trash' trying to eliminate them from the suspect list..

God help me, I love this thread.....
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Morning M1
 
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Volsfaninva917 said:
He's about the only one who can put pen to paper with all these BS rumors out there. I get it some of you know a guy who knows a guy who mows a boosters lawn and you're getting 4th hand information that the Gruden deal is done. And that might be true but I keep going back to the game of telephone when information changes hands the more that gets added to it. So the original information was probably there is a level of interest to OMG Gruden signed the contract
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So my other post for deleted. I have absolutely no connections 1st 2nd 3rd or 4th to Knoxville other than my daughter who has a full academic scholarship to UTK. I have a lawnboy but they hate UT soo.....
 
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FacelessArya said:
We oughta have a place on our profiles for our facebook/twitter pages. I don't care if people know who I am.
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There is. It's called

< post link here >

:)

I am just kidding around. The last time we talked to a lady about pictures (specifically her Batman tattoo) she clammed up and was never seen from again.
 
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