Recruiting Forum Talk XXXIX

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I feel like if this was any other 'big time' program that takes pride in what it does he would have been gone during the bye week.

Im pretty irritated as it is, but if this drags on a day past next Saturday Im going to be livid.
 
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Aesius said:
He can fire Butch and still take his time. It has to happen next week. Otherwise Currie starts to look hugely incompetent. Every national beat writer in the country will be calling him out for leaving Jones on the job if he's still employed on Monday morning after the epic thrashing we're going to receive in Tuscaloosa and what will be 14 quarters in a row without a touchdown.
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I'm of the mind that the admin wants to seem attractive in it's support to prospective coaches. To fans that watch every snap of every game, it's obvious that Butch Jones is done. However, there will still be those in the national media, and perhaps within the program, that say "How can they fire a man that won 3 straight bowls there for the first time in 20 years?" If Currie waits until it's mathematically impossible to avoid taking a step back (ie, 5th loss), it will eliminate some of that criticism.
 
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KnoxLandcruiser said:
How can you make this statement when you quite literally have no clue what he is doing, what he is planning or how his approach to the next football hire will pan out?

There is a segment of this fan base that talks while they try to think of something to say.
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Because Butch is still the coach while players are decommitting and transferring and the fan base has been lost. He should have been fired last week. Really simple
 
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Kingston Vol said:
Why shouldn't a university strive to be great academically? Seems to be the reason for all of it.

I understand we all love Tennessee football and want to see it succeed but athletics should always be second to academics.
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I don't understand why it's an either or or argument. Almost 80% of all athletic department revenue is tied to football yet only 20% of department revenue is budgeted for football operations. In reality only 26% of football revenue is budgeted for football operations spending.

When you pay your $1,000 or whatever including donation for each season ticket you buy $740 of that is going to something other than football operations. That is one hell of a markup and as long as no one is the wiser it's not going to change. I don't think most people know what happens to their financial "investment" in our football program.

I don't know what the most accurate numbers are but let's say we're selling around 70,000 season tickets for 7.5 home games per year. Football ticket sales are net of taxes around $36m. Donations, much of which comes from season ticket holders, close to double that. Conference/NCAA distribution comes in at $41m, mostly because of football. There are other small buckets of revenue but these are the major buckets.

The point is that the overwhelming majority of revenue for our athletic department comes from the football fanbase and in particular the season ticket holders. It would appear to me that there is tremendously much more money coming from our fanbase than is provided by most of the so-called boosters. I wouldn't want to hurt anyone's feelings that's donating $50k or even $200k a year to the program but as they say there's strength in numbers and our numbers need to have a voice at the table. jmo.

I will say this in defense of the department and boosters. At some point they took out a lot of loans probably mostly for football facilities and such and now about $16m of our revenue is being spent every year for debt service. Guess where that money is coming from?

Here's a novel idea. We need say $9m for the current staff buyouts. Let's say only 60% of current season ticket holders are desperate for a staffing change.

$9,000,000/(70,000*0.6) = $215 payable in monthly installments over the next 4 years.

Would you agree to pay $4.47 per month for the next 48 months to FAHR BUTCH JONES. That's only $0.15, yes, fifteen cents a day to make a lot of desperate fans dreams come true. Think of all the suffering you will help to alleviate. Do your part to make this a better world. For only 15 cents a day. Call now. Make your pledge. :)

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/tenn/genrel/auto_pdf/2016-17/misc_non_event/UTADFiscalData.pdf
 
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Aesius said:
I could see that, but also think Butch and Sexton would easily call Currie's bluff there. Currie starts taking heat soon for leaving Butch twisting in the wind, and both Butch and Sexton know that.

I would imagine Sexton has advised Butch to not take any negotiated buyouts. He knows that he may have only one more week on the job and the full buyout coming his way.
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That may be true, but maybe Butch is a better man than Sexton. Or at least maybe his goals are different. It's not all about money to everybody. Besides, how much do you need to be happy?
 
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OrangenSC said:
That may be true, but maybe Butch is a better man than Sexton. Or at least maybe his goals are different. It's not all about money to everybody. Besides, how much do you need to be happy?
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I listened to the man speak for 5 years. He is 100% going to get all the buyout money and tbh he probably deserves it.

Butch is arrogant and delusional
 
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beachmaster said:
I will always follow the Vols. But, I have, and most all these posters on here, have lost faith and hope in CBJ. I need that hope that we can actually win a game. If I don't have that, I will watch/listen, but my heart won't be in it.
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Same here. I'd be willing to bet that there are few fans out there that wouldn't vote to fire him immediately. However, there are lots of moving parts to stuff like this. It could be a perception thing, or it could be tough negotiations involving the multi-million dollar buy out. Maybe they have the right guy on the line, but he has expressed concerns about security should he have a down year, and the wait is an attempt to exhibit patience. The fact that there is no knee jerk reaction this time, actually gives me a bit of confidence.
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
I was in shock when it first happened. Then the smell overwhelmed me, I couldn’t breathe. Luckily I had a friend and my wife who were there to calm me down and clean and bandage me up. Worst thing is that I’ve had a beard for about a decade and now it’s gone 😩. I’m really ugly without it! Lol
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Bass,glad you're ok. It sounds like if all you lost was your beard you're one lucky dude.
 
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I'm at least a bit relieved that my dreaded worst case scenario where Butch does just enough to keep his job (which required beating USCjr) will not come to fruition.
 
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ChattaTNVol said:
I don't understand why it's an either or or argument. Almost 80% of all athletic department revenue is tied to football yet only 20% of department revenue is budgeted for football operations. In reality only 26% of football revenue is budgeted for football operations spending.

When you pay your $1,000 or whatever including donation for each season ticket you buy $740 of that is going to something other than football operations. That is one hell of a markup and as long as no one is the wiser it's not going to change. I don't think most people know what happens to their financial "investment" in our football program.

I don't know what the most accurate numbers are but let's say we're selling around 70,000 season tickets for 7.5 home games per year. Football ticket sales are net of taxes around $36m. Donations, much of which comes from season ticket holders, close to double that. Conference/NCAA distribution comes in at $41m, mostly because of football. There are other small buckets of revenue but these are the major buckets.

The point is that the overwhelming majority of revenue for our athletic department comes from the football fanbase and in particular the season ticket holders. It would appear to me that there is tremendously much more money coming from our fanbase than is provided by most of the so-called boosters. I wouldn't want to hurt anyone's feelings that's donating $50k or even $200k a year to the program but as they say there's strength in numbers and our numbers need to have a voice at the table. jmo.

I will say this in defense of the department and boosters. At some point they took out a lot of loans probably mostly for football facilities and such and now about $16m of our revenue is being spent every year for debt service. Guess where that money is coming from?

Here's a novel idea. We need say $9m for the current staff buyouts. Let's say only 60% of current season ticket holders are desperate for a staffing change.

$9,000,000/(70,000*0.6) = $215 payable in monthly installments over the next 4 years.

Would you agree to pay $4.47 per month for the next 48 months to FAHR BUTCH JONES. That's only $0.15, yes, fifteen cents a day to make a lot of desperate fans dreams come true. Think of all the suffering you will help to alleviate. Do your part to make this a better world. For only 15 cents a day. Call now. Make your pledge. :)

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/tenn/genrel/auto_pdf/2016-17/misc_non_event/UTADFiscalData.pdf
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Rain man junior over here. Too many numbers
 
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Perception is everything and right now UT looks incompetent to allow Butch to still be head coach.This isn't one bad loss and you don't want to have a knee jerk reaction- this is a pattern that everyone including national and local media all see and report on. I just do not see the point of allowing him to continue, you can work the back channels and conduct a search with an interim in place. It is going to take a half empty stadium to get their damn attention and unfortunately,we are too loyal to do that so UT takes advantage of us. It's sad that we are one of the best fan bases in the country and we are treated like crap by our university in return.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Excellent post. I've been preaching this for sometime. You get what you pay for. TN is in the top echelon for revenue but the bottom for spending. It goes so much further than what you pay your head coach. It makes for a great business plan but not for wins and losses. Question is, do the major players at TN want to be a championship level program or do they want to win the profit bowl? Another question is, will the fans continue to pay for filet mignon and accept being served **** sandwiches?
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I for one will not. If we hire some scrub that we have to google I'm done investing so much money/time into this program. As you said, you get what you pay for. For the life of me I'll never understand why a program that pulls in over 100 mill would settle for a Satterfield/Manny Diaz type. Not saying they're going to again this time, but if they do, I'll be over it.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Excellent post. I've been preaching this for sometime. You get what you pay for. TN is in the top echelon for revenue but the bottom for spending. It goes so much further than what you pay your head coach. It makes for a great business plan but not for wins and losses. Question is, do the major players at TN want to be a championship level program or do they want to win the profit bowl? Another question is, will the fans continue to pay for filet mignon and accept being served **** sandwiches?
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I for one will not. If we hire some scrub that we have to google I'm done investing so much money/time into this program. As you said, you get what you pay for. For the life of me I'll never understand why a program that pulls in over 100 mill would settle for a Satterfield/Manny Diaz type. Beer taste with a champagne budget. Not saying they're going to again this time, but if they do, I'll be over it.
 
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orangeblood79 said:
There's no reason that this University can't be both. Michigan, Florida, Stanford, and Notre Dame are all schools who have devoted ample resources to both academics and football programs.

Not to mention the strides that Alabama has made in enrollment since Saban took over.

As Joe Johnson, our former university president, once said "athletics is the front porch of the University."

Big Jim is an idiot if he thinks we shouldn't pursue excellence in both academics AND athletics.
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Somebody needs to buck up and tell the old man to kick rocks if this is really true. Takes leadership like we had when Dickey was the AD. He didn't cower
down to big Jim.
 
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omghulkhands said:
I'm not convinced that would make a difference.
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I’m not convinced it would either. But I am fairly convinced that we won’t make a bowl with Butch as HC. He has a chance to win 3 more with an easier schedule at the end of the year but with what we have been showing on offense lately it’s questionable we won’t.
 
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Kingston Vol said:
Why shouldn't a university strive to be great academically? Seems to be the reason for all of it.

I understand we all love Tennessee football and want to see it succeed but athletics should always be second to academics.
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I don't understand why people think the two are mutually exclusive?? What am I missing?
 
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