Dan Mullen thread (merged)

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VFL-82-JP said:
I've never heard a recruit, when interviewed, say that he's going to X or Y school for the nice facilities. Or for the program's robust financial reports. Not even for the nice training facilities, dorms, or chow halls.

You know what they say? "I just felt like I was at home with the people there." "I fit in." "It's a good fit for me." "The coaches are incredible." "I want to play with and learn from the best."

Their answers are never about facilities. They're about the people. The coaches, their fellow players, the community.

And it doesn't matter whether you're in Starkville or Knoxville, a great coaching staff and supportive community can work just as well either place.

Mullen would recruit in Knoxville as he does in Starkville. Nicer facilities and more of a downtown night life might give him a bit of a bump with one recruit out of a hundred. But it won't turn him into a recruiting stud.

He would recruit in Knoxville. As he does in Starkville. What you see is what you get.
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That is not true. Players wouldn't show off UT's facilities on social media if that were true. Alums wouldn't be talking up the facilities either.

However, top assistant coaches would consider coming to Tennessee because we pay and it benefits them well to coach and have success here. That is not the case at Miss. State as assistants don't flock there...

And you are certifiably insane if you think that Starkville's community is on par with that of Knoxville.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
Din Quixote, you're tilting at windmills again. Never said it's not time for change; I think it might very well be.

But not to Mullen. He is not the answer, as long as we're looking for championships (and we should be, always).
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For your logic, there are only 4 possible coaches that can win titles..... and you have yet to tell me which of the 4 are logical choices to come here.
 
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Boston Vol said:
The yardstick is winning championships? So if you were were the AD at Texas in '97 you wouldn't have hired Mack Brown? If you were the AD at OU in '98 you wouldn't have hired Bob Stoops? If you were the AD at LSU in '99 you wouldn't have hired Nick Saban? If you were the AD at LSU in '05 you wouldn't have hired Les Miles? If you were the AD at USC in '00 you wouldn't have hired Pete Carroll? If you were the AD at Stanford in '06 you wouldn't have hired Jim Harbaugh? If you were the AD at Oregon in '08 you wouldn't have promoted Chip Kelly to HC? If you were the AD at Penn St. in '14 you wouldn't have hired James Franklin? If you were the AD at Clemson in '08 you wouldn't have promoted Dabo Swinney to HC? None of those guys had ever won a championship before landing those gigs.
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Bad logic.

Never said we have to hire a coach who has already won a championship. You seem to be under the misapprehension that I did.

JMSqb11 said:
For your logic, there are only 4 possible coaches that can win titles..... and you have yet to tell me which of the 4 are logical choices to come here.
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Ditto.
 
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Why is everyone comparing Mullens SEC win/loss record, when the man cannot even beat The Jags of South Alabama? To make it worse, it was the season opener last year, then, i believe in the same month, struggled to edge-out UMass?
 
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JMSqb11 said:
Because they had the talent, albeit illegally obtained talent, to compete with Alabama.

You're kidding yourself if you think Miss State's talent/recruiting is even remotely close to Alabama.
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And who do you think is responsible for that?
 
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JMSqb11 said:
That is not true. Players wouldn't show off UT's facilities on social media if that were true. Alums wouldn't be talking up the facilities either.

However, top assistant coaches would consider coming to Tennessee because we pay and it benefits them well to coach and have success here. That is not the case at Miss. State as assistants don't flock there...

And you are certifiably insane if you think that Starkville's community is on par with that of Knoxville.
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The facilities do not mean a thing if the coach is a jerk, the fans are jerks, the school is close to being on probation due to APR, etc. etc. etc.

Facilities probably get the recruits attention but something else has to close the deal - otherwise they would all to to A&M or Michigan or ... insert other school that has just as impressive facilities.
 
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Volstylexx said:
Every volnation thread has “Hire Mullen”posts so I thought it would be interesting to take an objective look at Mullen:

Mullen is 6-21 against top 25 teams. He’s never beaten Bama and never won the sec West. In fact, in 8 seasons at MSU, he’s only finished greater than 2nd in the SEC West one time, every other season has been 4th or worse... in 8 seasons he’s only had above .500 record in SEC play 1 time.

His best season and only season to achieve 10 wins was 2013 when they went 10-3 and lost in the Orange Bowl. That was in year, wait for it..... 6 at MSU

Year 1 record - 5-7 (3-5 SEC)
Year 2 - 9-4 (4-4 SEC)
Year 3- 7-6 (2-6 SEC)
Year 4- 8-5 (4-4 SEC)
Year 5- 7-6 (3-5 SEC)
Year 6- 10-3 (6-2 SEC)
Year 7 - 9-4 (4-4 SEC)
Year 8 - 6-7 (3-5 SEC)

An objective look at his numbers suggests Mullen and Butch are cut from the same cloth. Average 8-4 consistent coaches.
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This is the most absurd comparison the Op could have come up with. The fact that Mullen is still better than Butch at MSU in a much more difficult and competitive division is significant evidence of his superior coaching ability as compared to Jones.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
And who do you think is responsible for that?
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It's not a who. Its a what. And that what is a serious resource disadvantage compared to the other schools in the area.

Miss State is not going to recruit on par with Bama regardless of who the coach is.

Miss State is not going to have the facilities to recruit on par with Bama regardless of who the coach is.

Miss State is not going to attract top assistants to recruit on par with Bama regardless of who the coach is.


You have a serious IQ deficiency if you think any coach could recruit at Mississippi State on par with Alabama.
 
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I can't understand all the enamor with Mullins. I feel if CBJ is let go, the university needs to make a commitment on bringing in the best of the best. Someone who is a known winner. Not an a hot commodity like Fleck, but seasoned. Someone who will build off of what CBJ has established and get us to being a perennial top 5-10 program again.

Nothing personal against Fleck, Mullins or Kelly, but I know we can do better than those coaches. Someone who understands the college game and will be relentless on the trail.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
It's not a who. Its a what. And that what is a serious resource disadvantage compared to the other schools in the area.

Miss State is not going to recruit on par with Bama regardless of who the coach is.

Miss State is not going to have the facilities to recruit on par with Bama regardless of who the coach is.

Miss State is not going to attract top assistants to recruit on par with Bama regardless of who the coach is.


You have a serious IQ deficiency if you think any coach could recruit at Mississippi State on par with Alabama.
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It seems to me that now you're just turning yourself into an excuse-generating machine for Dan Mullen.

Why are you so hard over for him? He's never won a single championship as a head coach. Never even competed for one. Never got to Atlanta. Only won 10 games one single year. Interviewed for at least three other head coaching jobs in the past few years, never got picked (Willie Taggart, Mark Richt and James Franklin are all apparently better choices).

So...why are you so excited about him? What is it you see in him that screams "Championship Winner at Tennessee!!!"

So much so that you're now reduced to making excuses for him....
 
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Boston Vol said:
So now he's not even a good coach? I thought the argument was that he wasn't good enough for Tennessee, but apparently he's not any good at all.
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Apparently not.

/end thread.

Let's all go to the ones that are talking about who IS the right guy. :)
 
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golfballs said:
Ha. Everyone WITH "credibility"
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I'm sorry you need so much help. The people I'm referring to are former players turned analysts, others whose livelihoods are devoted to analyzing SEC and college football.

You know, the peeps you think are geniuses when they offer a crumb of positive news to Butch or Tennessee.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
Tennessee doesn't recruit the talent for him. He would have to. Dan Mullen. It would be on him. You know, to recruit really well.

The guy who can't recruit nearly as well as Butch, though both are sitting in states that have to reach into Georgia, Florida, and other places for better than half their talent.

No idea why folks keep giving him credit for Butch's recruiting success. It's not like top-10 recruiting classes are a guarantee at Tennessee. Just look at our Dark Ages to prove that.
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The most incompetent coach in the school's history (Dooley) was able to land top 15 classes without leaving his office. Butch wasn't considered an elite recruiter until he came here. Tennessee sells itself
 
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MiramarVol said:
I can't understand all the enamor with Mullins. I feel if CBJ is let go, the university needs to make a commitment on bringing in the best of the best. Someone who is a known winner. Not an a hot commodity like Fleck, but seasoned. Someone who will build off of what CBJ has established and get us to being a perennial top 5-10 program again.

Nothing personal against Fleck, Mullins or Kelly, but I know we can do better than those coaches. Someone who understands the college game and will be relentless on the trail.
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Hire the best of the best? When the **** has UT ever done that? And we can do better than Chip Kelly? Really? Who is out there, that's a realistic option, that would be better than Chip Kelly?
 
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