2017 Vols will have the #1 or #2 ranked DEFENSE in the SEC

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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Georgia Tech is an outlier. We're not gonna see an offense like that again this year. If Florida runs all over us in 2 weeks with that horrible offensive line then we should be worried. Till then I have belief in Shoop and the players.

I really like this year's defense. They will lead us to a national championship.
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I'd tell you're drunk right now, but I know you're just an incredibly dedicated troll.
 
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How Georgia Tech did last year running the ball...

vs. 7-6 Kentucky - 266
vs. 7-5 Georgia - 226
vs. 2-9 Virginia - 199
vs. 7-3 Virginia Tech - 309
vs. 7-2 North Carolina - 374
vs. 3-5 Duke - 341
vs. 3-3 Georgia Southern - 265
vs. 4-2 Pitt - 241
vs. 4-0 Miami - 267
vs. 4-0 Clemson - 95
vs. 1-2 Vandy - 289
vs. 0-2 Mercer - 364
vs. 0-1 Boston College - 119
 
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the best Georgia Tech rushing games over the years Johnson has coached. Seems everyone has as much trouble as we did... Think D4H needs to revisit his option offense reason for our defense being so bad. Was the worse save one team in last 8 seasons.

2015 high was 476 against Alcorn State. Only other team over 400 was Tulane at 439.

2014 high was 479 against NC State.

2013 high was 428 against Alabama A&M

2012 high was 469 against Presbyterian

2011 high was 604 against Kansas. No one else over 400.

2010 high was 477 against UVA.

2009 high was 412 against Wake Forest.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
So you're saying injuries don't matter? Cause you are totally ignoring the fact most of those bad defensive performances came when we became ravaged by injuries. In particular to our defensive tackles.
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Injuries do matter. But if you think that injuries are a valid excuse for allowing teams like UK and Vandy to have record type games against us then I dont know what more needs to be said.

Our defense was kind of bad before all the injuries man. The fact is since Jancek left, our defense has been terrible. Except when we are playing teams like Tennessee Tech.
 
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LWSVOL said:
the best Georgia Tech rushing games over the years Johnson has coached. Seems everyone has as much trouble as we did... Think D4H needs to revisit his option offense reason for our defense being so bad. Was the worse save one team in last 8 seasons.

2015 high was 476 against Alcorn State. Only other team over 400 was Tulane at 439.

2014 high was 479 against NC State.

2013 high was 428 against Alabama A&M

2012 high was 469 against Presbyterian

2011 high was 604 against Kansas. No one else over 400.

2010 high was 477 against UVA.

2009 high was 412 against Wake Forest.
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Hmmm, so even scrub teams like Alcorn State and freaking Presbyterian had more success against GT than we did. Thats just great.

We as Vol fans should be utterly ashamed looking at these numbers.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
So you're saying injuries don't matter? Cause you are totally ignoring the fact most of those bad defensive performances came when we became ravaged by injuries. In particular to our defensive tackles.
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We weren't "ravaged by injuries" when we gave up 45 points and right at 600 yards to an average TAM team.....all DTs were healthy and playing. And we had 18 of 22 starters playing when gave up 44 points and 610 yards to a Vandy team that was averaging 355 yards coming in
 
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LWSVOL said:
How Georgia Tech did last year running the ball...

vs. 7-6 Kentucky - 266
vs. 7-5 Georgia - 226
vs. 2-9 Virginia - 199
vs. 7-3 Virginia Tech - 309
vs. 7-2 North Carolina - 374
vs. 3-5 Duke - 341
vs. 3-3 Georgia Southern - 265
vs. 4-2 Pitt - 241
vs. 4-0 Miami - 267
vs. 4-0 Clemson - 95
vs. 1-2 Vandy - 289
vs. 0-2 Mercer - 364
vs. 0-1 Boston College - 119
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I didn't know teams stayed exactly the same year after year in college.

Somebody should tell 2013 Auburn that they're exactly the same as the 2012 that failed to win a game in the SEC.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
I didn't know teams stayed exactly the same year after year in college.

Somebody should tell 2013 Auburn that they're exactly the same as the 2012 that failed to win a game in the SEC.
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well, after one game our team is like they ended last year, giving up tons of yardage. You have an example in your back yard
 
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LWSVOL said:
the best Georgia Tech rushing games over the years Johnson has coached. Seems everyone has as much trouble as we did... Think D4H needs to revisit his option offense reason for our defense being so bad. Was the worse save one team in last 8 seasons.

2015 high was 476 against Alcorn State. Only other team over 400 was Tulane at 439.

2014 high was 479 against NC State.

2013 high was 428 against Alabama A&M

2012 high was 469 against Presbyterian

2011 high was 604 against Kansas. No one else over 400.

2010 high was 477 against UVA.

2009 high was 412 against Wake Forest.
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Look. I know what we gave up on the ground was historically bad even when compared to other opponents of Georgia Tech. My argument isn't that our number were actually good. I'm simply telling you it doesn't matter. You are trying to make a correlation with something that just isn't there.

Yes. We suck at defending the option. And we better hope we don't see Georgia Tech again. But we could've given up 1000 yards rushing to Georgia Tech monday and it still would have no bearing on the rest of our season because that offense is unique and it's not something we'll see again.

You're trying to make a connection that just isn't there. You can't say because we couldn't stop Georgia Tech's option attack, we won't be able to stop traditional teams from running the ball. Those 2 things don't coincide no matter how hard you keep trying to make them match. Just because you suck at stopping the option doesn't mean you have to also suck at stopping a traditional running attack. Anyone who knows anything about football knows you can't use this transitive property.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Look. I know what we gave up on the ground was historically bad even when compared to other opponents of Georgia Tech. My argument isn't that our number were actually good. I'm simply telling you it doesn't matter. You are trying to make a correlation with something that just isn't there.

Yes. We suck at defending the option. And we better hope we don't see Georgia Tech again. But we could've given up 1000 yards rushing to Georgia Tech monday and it still would have no bearing on the rest of our season because that offense is unique and it's not something we'll see again.

You're trying to make a connection that just isn't there. You can't say because we couldn't stop Georgia Tech's option attack, we won't be able to stop traditional teams from running the ball. Those 2 things don't coincide no matter how hard you keep trying to make them match. Just because you suck at stopping the option doesn't mean you have to also suck at stopping a traditional running attack. Anyone who knows anything about football knows you can't use this transitive property.
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with a 11 more games your going to have a lot of opportunity to find excuses.. I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt until we see additional proof.

You really still believe the statements you made to begin this thread?
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Injuries do matter. But if you think that injuries are a valid excuse for allowing teams like UK and Vandy to have record type games against us then I dont know what more needs to be said.

Our defense was kind of bad before all the injuries man. The fact is since Jancek left, our defense has been terrible. Except when we are playing teams like Tennessee Tech.
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Then explain to me why we all of a sudden got better defensively in the bowl game against Nebraska which on paper is better Kentucky, Missouri, and Vanderbilt?

Did Snoop just get smarter for that bowl game and then return to ineptitude afterwards? Same with the players? Or was it because we got some guys back and the one month layoff helped our guys like DKjr and Cam Sutton who were playing hurt recover?

You can keep trying to pretend it didn't matter. But injuries played a significant role in why our defensive numbers were so proof toward the end of the season last year. To say otherwise is to embrace ignorance.
 
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LWSVOL said:
How Georgia Tech did last year running the ball...

vs. 7-6 Kentucky - 266
vs. 7-5 Georgia - 226
vs. 2-9 Virginia - 199
vs. 7-3 Virginia Tech - 309
vs. 7-2 North Carolina - 374
vs. 3-5 Duke - 341
vs. 3-3 Georgia Southern - 265
vs. 4-2 Pitt - 241
vs. 4-0 Miami - 267
vs. 4-0 Clemson - 95
vs. 1-2 Vandy - 289
vs. 0-2 Mercer - 364
vs. 0-1 Boston College - 119
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I brought that up earlier, doesnt seem to matter. Apparently, last year isnt supoosed to matter. Unless of course you are totaling our wins over the last 20 games, then all of the sudden it matters.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Look. I know what we gave up on the ground was historically bad even when compared to other opponents of Georgia Tech. My argument isn't that our number were actually good. I'm simply telling you it doesn't matter. You are trying to make a correlation with something that just isn't there.

Yes. We suck at defending the option. And we better hope we don't see Georgia Tech again.
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Didn't you say earlier that you rewatched the game and loved what you saw from UT's defense?
 
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KBVol said:
We weren't "ravaged by injuries" when we gave up 45 points and right at 600 yards to an average TAM team.....all DTs were healthy and playing. And we had 18 of 22 starters playing when gave up 44 points and 610 yards to a Vandy team that was averaging 355 yards coming in
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LOL @ this revisionist history. At the time we played Texas A&M they were #8 in the country. They were leading the SEC in rushing yards. And they had just come off a dominating road win against Auburn just a few weeks earlier. The same Auburn team that would end up being one of the better defensive teams in the SEC and would go on to represent the SEC in the Sugar Bowl later that season.

When we played A&M they were not an "average" team. They were playing at an extremely high level. Remember they were #4 in the first playoff rankings. And they didn't really fall off until their starting QB Trevor Knight got hurt in the loss to Miss State. Who knows how A&M's season goes if Knight never gets hurt?

Saying A&M was an average team when we played them is asinine. They were being hailed as the 2nd best team in the SEC at the time.
 
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LWSVOL said:
well, after one game our team is like they ended last year, giving up tons of yardage. You have an example in your back yard
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Actually we ended last year with a pretty good defensive performance against Nebraska in the bowl game.

Or did you conveniently forget that cause it wouldn't fit your agenda?
 
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LWSVOL said:
with a 11 more games your going to have a lot of opportunity to find excuses.. I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt until we see additional proof.

You really still believe the statements you made to begin this thread?
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Unless we suffer catastrophic injuries once again along the defensive line, you won't be hearing any excuses from me.

And I can't believe you are trying to say that having only one healthy DT in 2016 from the South Carolina game on is an "excuse". Its called an explantion for why our rushing defense fell off the map after we lost 3 of our top 4 DTs.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Actually we ended last year with a pretty good defensive performance against Nebraska in the bowl game.

Or did you conveniently forget that cause it wouldn't fit your agenda?
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So one game last year makes all the difference, but one game this year is meaningless? Interesting.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Unless we suffer catastrophic injuries once again along the defensive line, you won't be hearing any excuses from me.

And I can't believe you are trying to say that having only one healthy DT in 2016 from the South Carolina game on is an "excuse". Its called an explantion for why our rushing defense fell off the map after we lost 3 of our top 4 DTs.
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Same ones that did so well against app st, vt and ohio? Or do those games not count?
 
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Look, I am really happy we won. I am a charter member of the sunshine pumper's club. But... we have to face some facts. In the last 10 years, over 15,000 teams have taken the field to play in over 7,500 games. This has included some really good teams and some real cellar dwellers. In all of those 15,000 teams, ONLY 50 (less than .33%) have given up over 500 yards rushing in a game. Of those 50, 47 lost. We are in rarified air here.
But, but, but, it was Georgia Tech! OK, Paul Johnson has coached 119 games at Georgia Tech. Only 1 team has yielded 500 yards rushing to his vaunted flexbone offense- Kansas in 2011, when they went 2-10 and had the 120th rated defense in the country out of 120 teams.
In 113 years of UT football, we had never yielded 500 yards rushing. The most ever was 1986 against Alabama, when we gave up 447 yards. (That was also the day I spilled Jack Daniels on my crotch in section C. As badly as that burned, watching our defense was worse... but I digress.)
Unfortunately, this is getting to be a habit. We gave up over 400 rushing yards to three teams last year. That makes 4 teams for Coach Shoop. I remind you that Sal Sunseri NEVER allowed 400 yards rushing.
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bamawriter said:
Didn't you say earlier that you rewatched the game and loved what you saw from UT's defense?
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I loved the speed and passion we played with. Guys we flowing to the football extremely well. I also loved how our players physically looked. KMac looked in phenomenal shape. I also loved the conditioning of our guys to play as many snaps as they did.

Overall I saw a lot more positives from the defense MOVING FORWARD than negatives.

You guys problem is you can't get it out of your head that we couldn't stop Georgia Tech's option attack. So you assume that means the defense will struggle moving forward. That couldn't be further from the truth. We didn't struggle against Georgia Tech for reasons that can be exploited by traditional offenses. For example it's not like we dont have speed on defense. We do. Especially when it comes to Bituli, Warrior, and Abernathy. We didn't struggle because our guys could stand up at the point of attack. We rarely lined up at the line of scrimmage. We were a couple of yards out every play so our guys could protect their knees. And so on.

There's nothing a traditional offense can point to from Monday night and say we can attack that (other than Justin Martin). Everything else we struggled with was related solely to the option scheme and has no bearing on the rest of our opponents.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Actually we ended last year with a pretty good defensive performance against Nebraska in the bowl game.

Or did you conveniently forget that cause it wouldn't fit your agenda?
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nope. didn't forget.

you using that game to place them at # 1 or # 2? you conveniently forget those other games?

since we ranked 124th in the country after game one, what is your projection on how high we move up after Indiana St?? We need to make big move to attain that !/2 ranking
 
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