Charlottesville white nationalists riots

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volinbham said:
a short video from the author of that - of course this is the fault of WS groups because they made the antifa people show up and get nutty

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shDBeow25iQ[/youtube]
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Of course, none of the liberals on this board will speak bad of antifa. They support their Jew hating tactics and ideology.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I can't provide a link from where I am but Google "The 14th Amendment and the Unconstitutionality of Secession".

Basically, Lincoln and other Republicans believed that national citizenship was primary, while southerners viewed state citizenship as the primary basis for allegiance. The first line of the 14th Amendment confirms that national citizenship is primary and state citizenship is derivative; the privileges or immunities clause forbids state interference with the relationship between citizens and the federal government; and section 5 confirms Congressional power to suppress any such state interference. In short, whatever might have been argued before the Civil War, the 14th Amendment definitely resolved the secession issue.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Washington and Jefferson would follow the constitution... and I'm not arguing this anymore. It's easy to understand, if you choose not to... well, believe what you wish.
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The initial talk of secession (around 1800) was in New England. When the South did secede, NJ almost went along.

W VA could not constitutionally have been created if the South were part of the Union. Seems like that is an admission that the South was not part of the Union. There again is the problem of having things both ways.

Before Lincoln became president he claimed that people had a right to rise up and form another government if the present one didn't suit them. However, we know people don't change positions; so Lincoln must have supported secession and then simply chose to invade a sovereign nation.
 
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05_never_again said:
So it's easy to understand, if I just accept your opinion as fact. Got it.

You hurt your own argument by making this statement, which is correct:



You are also correct that the 14th Amendment cleared this up...after the Civil War. Before the Civil War it was generally thought, even among Northerners, that a state could secede from the Union.

Lee, and probably along with Washington and Jefferson, believed that a state had a right to secede. Given his personal background and interests, it is totally reasonable to believe that Jefferson would have, at the very least, had Confederate sympathies if he were around at the time. Read what Jefferson said about the statehood of Missouri and the Missouri Compromise. It's probably the closest we can get to figuring out what his views on the Civil War would have been.
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No, just no. There is nothing to indicate that they would have wanted anything but the preservation of the country they had founded... Fwiw, I like your posts in other forums.

And as an unrelated matter of useless trivia - Jack Daniel was taught the craft of whiskey distilling by a slave named Nathan Green.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
No, just no. There is nothing to indicate that they would have wanted anything but the preservation of the country they had founded... Fwiw, I like your posts in other forums.

And as an unrelated matter of useless trivia - Jack Daniel was taught the craft of whiskey distilling by a slave named Nathan Green.
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Do you honestly believe no State has the right to leave the Union? That we have the mafia rules once in, never out?
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
This is the dumbest thing I have ever read on this forum. The preservation of the union would have been at the forefront of both of their minds. For crying out loud Thomas Jefferson wrote the Declaration of Independence. What separates Washington and Jefferson from Lee is that they built this nation while Lee tried to destroy it.

Both Washington and Jefferson would have been in favor of Lee being hanged for treason.
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Bullsh!t.
 
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Vol737 said:
Here we go. Heard several guests on talk shows today now saying Mt Rushmore and The Jefferson Memorial should be targets of removal. If this mindset and it's momentum persists, this country will be lost into an abyss that is not recoverable nor recognizable.

http://ijr.com/the-declaration/2017...america&utm_campaign=ods&utm_content=Politics
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I think more and more everyday citizens will start voicing their opinions on the idiocy of this ...... and of course.....be labeled as white supremacists
 
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AM64 said:
I absolutely think the counter protesters showed up with malice of forethought and with violent intent. Their purpose was to deny the first group it's right to free speech.

We banter back and forth a lot here - mostly civilly, but no one denies the other the opportunity to speak - and probably wouldn't even if we could. That's not what happened in Charlottesville. Counter argument is fine; blocking someone from speaking isn't, and that is antifa's stated goal.
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I think the govenor and mayor intentionally let it happen too.
 
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Vol737 said:
Here we go. Heard several guests on talk shows today now saying Mt Rushmore and The Jefferson Memorial should be targets of removal. If this mindset and it's momentum persists, this country will be lost into an abyss that is not recoverable nor recognizable.

http://ijr.com/the-declaration/2017...america&utm_campaign=ods&utm_content=Politics
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Wonder if they could wade in on why this country has existed long enough to have established monuments and named buildings, airports, etc for patriots, helped drag the rest of the free world from the clutches of fascism, and been the world power, while many parts of the world including most of Africa are dung heaps.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
I think the govenor and mayor intentionally let it happen too.
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Me, too; and I think it's despicable to let violence happen to further someone's own agenda. It's much easier to accomplish when you have the media covering for you; Christie would have been hung by now for similarly misappropriating resources.
 
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