Charlottesville white nationalists riots

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LG, armchair, MT, Bowl Brother, Luther, and a few of the more extreme nutjobs still have yet to respond to the question.

Do you support antifa? If so, why are you anti-Semitic?
 
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SergeantVol said:
Those who are avowed liberals is the criteria since antifa is of the liberal persuasion.
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So liberals are the only ones against fascism?

Is the opposite also true? Does that mean that avowed conservatives are pro-fascism?

I'm guessing you haven't thought this all the way through.
 
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armchair said:
I too have wondered whether the white supremacists should have just been left alone in Charlottesville. They are, after all, a relatively small group of losers who seem OK with parading around with shields bearing the Nazi swastika. Confrontation leads to escalation, which we've seen. But you can't fail to confront them, because that can suggest that their viewpoints are condoned, are acceptable, and then they grow in number. They've grown in number since Trump began his campaign--because he is a racist and white supremacist. If you think of the history of white supremacy in this country--the KKK, lynchings, murder, Jim Crow laws--then it is clear that these groups must be confronted or the problem, under this president, just grows. That can't happen. Within the White House, Trump will soon have to decide whether he's going to keep his white supremacist aide, Bannon, or his National Security Advisor, McMaster, because they do not like each other, have totally different views, and will not coexist. Trump will end up sacking Bannon. We can be thankful that there are at least a few sensible people in the White House to counter the crazies, starting with Trump himself.

RE Confederate monuments: I am familiar with a city that has a large number of /prominent/ Confed monuments. To say they are bad look, bad image, in 2017, would be an understatement. It's not about the generals, it's about the cause for which they fought. It was the wrong cause--state's rights is just a euphemism for the state's right to be a slave state---AND they lost. It's generally not a good idea to memorialize a misguided, losing cause. If you visit Germany, you won't see any statues of Hitler. The Confederate generals and Davis, etc. were not Hitler, but the cause--slavery--was bad, and wrong.
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They, and their apologists like Trump, are cockroaches and the light must be shone on them.
 
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Septic said:
So liberals are the only ones against fascism?

Is the opposite also true? Does that mean that avowed conservatives are pro-fascism?

I'm guessing you haven't thought this all the way through.
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Just because conservatives don't support Antifa doesn't mean they support fascism. I'm sure plenty of democrats don't support antifa. So are they fascists? That would equate that republicans don't support democracy because they aren't democrats.

Apparently you haven't thought this through.
 
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SergeantVol said:
Just because conservatives don't support Antifa doesn't mean they support fascism. I'm sure plenty of democrats don't support antifa. So are they fascists? That would equate that republicans don't support democracy because they aren't democrats.

Apparently you haven't thought this through.
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wut.

Forgive me if I can't decipher your false equivalencies.
 
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Trump looks around the business advisory counsel office below and declares he's "disbanding the business advisory counsel."

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Good job donny.
 
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Septic said:
wut.

Forgive me if I can't decipher your false equivalencies.
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What's false about it? Antifa is liberal, yes? Antifa is anti-Semitic, yes? When a neo-nazi event occurs liberals are quick to condemn all conservatives as racist. Well, when antifa does something why can't liberals be questioned based on the views of antifa and if they support them? I think it's a fair standard.
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
So trampling some civil rights and violating the constitution are ok if you don't agree with them.







HMM..Where have I heard this before?.................................
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with white supremacists, dude. It's like saying that Germany should allow Nazi groups to march again through the streets of Berlin. It's not happening because the Nazis ruined Germany--not to mentioned killed millions of people--and the KKK was a major destructive force in America and killed thousands. Thus free speech has its limits.

That said, where does free speech (tolerated) end and hate rhetoric (not tolerated) begin. It can be a tough call in some cases--but not when it comes to neo-Nazis and KKK-like rallies.

What Charlottesville should have done is this: tell the original protestors: If you want to come and protest the monument issue, fine--free speech--but torches and shields and swastikas and anything that might be a weapon will not be allowed; any seen will be removed. And there should have been public announcements to that effect. And you make the same regulations for counter-protestors. And you do what is necessary to maintain distance between the two sides. In this way, the inflammatory elements are removed and there is far less chance of violence. You essentially tell the original white supremacist organizers, if you want to have a free-speech rally, OK; if you want to hold a quasi-KKK/neo-Nazi rally, you will be arrested or the rally ended by police. That would have been a damper on the whole thing from the get-go.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Trump just disbanded the manufacturing advisory council.

Everyone please be aware he is in full pre-K tantrum mode.
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Good. No reason for there to be a "manufacturing council" to begin with. Now if he'll just follow up by eliminating the National Economic Council and the Domestic Policy Council, he'll be on to something.
 
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Furthermore, you are the one who is laying the standard of, if you don't support antifa you are supporting fascism. I'm just concluding that your premise is false. Antifa doesn't have the market cornered on speaking out against fascism.
 
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05_never_again said:
He's wrong on the details but right on principle.

Byrd was the leader of his local KKK group (Exalted Cyclops).
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Fake news to call him a grand wizard, but then it's not as outrageous I suppose.

Rip his name from the buildings, burn them down!
 
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You'll have to pardon my post earlier about false equivalancies. I'm at the gym. Got to stay in shape in case any of those Jew hating antifa liberal want to corner me.
 
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Groups like the white supremacists, white nationalist, and nazis thrive on confrontation. The same with the antifa and the blm folks. Both are most effective if they have the opposition group there to raise hell and protest them. All of these groups should be ignored. Had that happened with the white supremacist protest Saturday, they would've said their piece (which is their right in America, same with antifa and blm groups) and nothing would've happened.

The media coverage of this is simply building a powder keg that is being primed for detonation. This has the potential to be very bad for the future of this country.

Most of all, turn off the damn tv people.
 
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armchair said:
with white supremacists, dude. It's like saying that Germany should allow Nazi groups to march again through the streets of Berlin. It's not happening because the Nazis ruined Germany--not to mentioned killed millions of people--and the KKK was a major destructive force in America and killed thousands. Thus free speech has its limits.

That said, where does free speech (tolerated) end and hate rhetoric (not tolerated) begin. It can be a tough call in some cases--but not when it comes to neo-Nazis and KKK-like rallies.

What Charlottesville should have done is this: tell the original protestors: If you want to come and protest the monument issue, fine--free speech--but torches and shields and swastikas and anything that might be a weapon will not be allowed; any seen will be removed. And there should have been public announcements to that effect. And you make the same regulations for counter-protestors. And you do what is necessary to maintain distance between the two sides. In this way, the inflammatory elements are removed and there is far less chance of violence. You essentially tell the original white supremacist organizers, if you want to have a free-speech rally, OK; if you want to hold a quasi-KKK/neo-Nazi rally, you will be arrested or the rally ended by police. That would have been a damper on the whole thing from the get-go.
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The Constitution disagrees with the bolded. Have a problem with that - change the Constitution.
 
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