Disappointment..

#51
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titansvolsfaninga said:
Sometimes good leaders, great leaders don't need to verbally say things that are already understood. What would be the point of ridiculing the kids in the program? So a few reporters and some fans can get their jollies off and talk about how bad of a coach he is. When you set an expectation on your job or at home, and those expectations are not met, no need to verbally say that you are disappointed. The people that pay attention to you, will know that you are disappointed.
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Expressing disappointment in goals not achieved isn't anywhere close to ridiculing. Many would consider it genuine and relatable, given the circumstances.
 
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VFLBand said:
Were you disappointed that Butch was able to re-juvinate a decimated defense that whipped Nebraska and held them to 61 yards rushing? I think that the return of our best defense players along with a strong offensive line will give the Vols a much better chance at success than most of the media, and many other critics, give them.
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You probably should have picked a better example seeing as how Tommy Armstrong didn't participate in that game
 
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Like this, too:

"We have to replace some very, very good football players. We had six drafted players in the first four rounds of the National Football League draft this past year. That hasn't been done in Tennessee in 15 years. So, again, that's how far we've come in our program."
 
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Volsfaninva917 said:
A sugar bowl birth would mean a spot in the college playoff, I think you're going to be very disappointed
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The playoff bowls rotate, didn't know the SB was one this year. Usually it's the conference champ or the highest ranked team. We played ourselves out of it last year.
 
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titansvolsfaninga said:
Sometimes a parent does not tell a kid that they are disappointed in them, even when they are. Sometimes you have to let the kid set their bar. I don't think a good coach will publicly tell the team that he was disappointed in them. Privately he may tell them that they let some opportunities slip away.
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A select few wants to harp on Butch because he won't publicly admit it but you sir hit the nail on the head. The great coaches aren't going to throw their team under the bus. You do that and you will be hard pressed to find kids that want to play for you.
 
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LA Vol said:
Expressing disappointment in goals not achieved isn't anywhere close to ridiculing. Many would consider it genuine and relatable, given the circumstances.
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Exactly.

Had he put it the same way Vickers did, I doubt you would hear anything but respect for accountability from those trying to make that point.
 
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Orange_Vol1321 said:
A select few wants to harp on Butch because he won't publicly admit it but you sir hit the nail on the head. The great coaches aren't going to throw their team under the bus. You do that and you will be hard pressed to find kids that want to play for you.
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So had he said the season was disappointing because it didn't end up the way everyone in the program and fanbase wanted he's throwing players under the bus?
 
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While it didn't seem like a bad answer to me at the time, this is the foot in mouth statement that the media was looking for and Butch delivered. Now the narrative is that our hfc isn't disappointed over losses to SC and Vandy with the SECCG and Sugar Bowl on the line. It doesn't matter what we think. That is the story.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
While it didn't seem like a bad answer to me at the time, this is the foot in mouth statement that the media was looking for and Butch delivered. Now the narrative is that our hfc isn't disappointed over losses to SC and Vandy with the SECCG and Sugar Bowl on the line. It doesn't matter what we think. That is the story.
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Which will draw venom from many here
 
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I am part of the expedition assigned to come to this thread and find the humor in it. So far? :(
 
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BeecherVol said:
Exactly.

Had he put it the same way Vickers did, I doubt you would hear anything but respect for accountability from those trying to make that point.
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wrong...he would get flamed for that as well. It is what it is. People are waiting to complain about something.
 
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Orange_Vol1321 said:
A select few wants to harp on Butch because he won't publicly admit it but you sir hit the nail on the head. The great coaches aren't going to throw their team under the bus. You do that and you will be hard pressed to find kids that want to play for you.
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LOL Nick Saban would call it a disappointment. That's the difference between good and great. Vickers told the truth. Guess the players will disown him. Goodness
 
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Orange_Vol1321 said:
A select few wants to harp on Butch because he won't publicly admit it but you sir hit the nail on the head. The great coaches aren't going to throw their team under the bus. You do that and you will be hard pressed to find kids that want to play for you.
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A great coach would put it all on himself and tell the fanbase that it's his fault. Our coach didn't do that. Do the math.
 
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Is it a huge deal? No imo.

However, don't understand why he couldn't have just said something like "yes, we didn't real our goal of winning a championship, either division or conference, and that made it a disappointing season. There were some great things accomplished last year, some really high moments and I'm proud of how our guys competed through some adversity. But yes, absolutely, all in all, since we didn't reach our ultimate goal, last year was disappointing, and I think any player and probably most any fan would say that. We want and intend to win championships at Tennessee".
 
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Orange_Vol1321 said:
A select few wants to harp on Butch because he won't publicly admit it but you sir hit the nail on the head. The great coaches aren't going to throw their team under the bus. You do that and you will be hard pressed to find kids that want to play for you.
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The great coaches I've heard over the last 40 or so years would be up front and honest, would call last season what it was, disappointing, and would take all the blame for not reaching the goals of the team and those desired by the fan base. They'd then talk about how championships is what they're playing for and anything short of that is not good enough.

Most, probably all, of the great coaches I've heard may mention the injuries or other factors that contributed to the disappointing season but would then say they were situations that good teams overcome, that his team has to find a way to overcome them and then that it's his responsibility to make sure they do.
 
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BeecherVol said:
Exactly.

Had he put it the same way Vickers did, I doubt you would hear anything but respect for accountability from those trying to make that point.
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Right. Some bend over backwards to defend attacks that aren't there.
 
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LA Vol said:
Right. Some bend over backwards to defend attacks that aren't there.
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Agreed.

I was curious to see if those thinking it was Jones not throwing his players under the bus would call it the opposite had he went with Vickers description. Or does it even matter what he says.
 
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KBVol said:
The great coaches I've heard over the last 40 or so years would be up front and honest, would call last season what it was, disappointing, and would take all the blame for not reaching the goals of the team and those desired by the fan base. They'd then talk about how championships is what they're playing for and anything short of that is not good enough.

Most, probably all, of the great coaches I've heard may mention the injuries or other factors that contributed to the disappointing season but would then say they were situations that good teams overcome, that his team has to find a way to overcome them and then that it's his responsibility to make sure they do.
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The only thing I see that Butch could call a disappointment would be S&C and our injuries. The biggest off season hire for Butch this year will be Rock as the S&C coach.
 
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