Another questionable quote from Butch today

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Ace said:
Dan Wolken and most of the media are just looking for clicks as opposed to actually trying to cover the sport. So many know very little about the game. CBJ needed the media when he was starting to rebuild program. He just needs to be quiet and shut them up on the field.
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A low level of self-awareness, coupled with a moderate level of cognitive dissonance, isn't a good combination when you have to speak to the press on a regular basis.
 
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Year 5

Every Butch quote will continue to be a punch line until he actually accomplishes something on the field instead of just talking about it.
 
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jakez4ut said:
we've been thru this before, so i'm not going to re hash, only to say that once you beat FL and GA, you're contending for the East.

that we didn't win it, has more to do with what we DIDN'T do, than having to count on FL to lose.
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By that definition, Vanderbilt is contending to win the East.

Beat Georgia and Tennessee. Lost to Florida by a score in a game they could have easily won.
 
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BeecherVol said:
Eh. The media gets too much play on this.
Jones is a salesman and did a good job at the beginning with the message. He just seems like he's still trying to sell a vision when that is substantially less relevant.

Which is why your last sentence is sound.
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Media has changed from getting story right to getting clicks. It is the only way to keep your job. Many on VN talk about Houston Kress. He knows nothing about football but knows how to get clicks. Jimmy Hyams and John Adams are trying to do the same thing.
 
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chattaboogie said:
Well beating Georgia and Florida is a pretty big step in that direction. And three straight dominating bowl performances has me happy for now. Really need to win the east soon though.
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Exactly, and honestly, a loss to SC kept us from playing in the SECCG. We are a lot better than we were. Let's see how this year goes, and then start making definitive judgements on Butch and his new staff. Do we have to jump on everything the man says? Good Grief... I bet Beilema (or however you spell his name) has said the same, so has every other coach in the SEC. C'mon give the man a break!
 
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jakez4ut said:
we've been thru this before, so i'm not going to re hash, only to say that once you beat FL and GA, you're contending for the East.

that we didn't win it, has more to do with what we DIDN'T do, than having to count on FL to lose.
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Except when you're not. 3 games still on the schedule, and we need Florida to lose 2, even if we win out, in order to take the division is not being a contender. If we were talking about any other team besides Tennessee, you'd say the same.
 
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Ace said:
Media has changed from getting story right to getting clicks. It is the only way to keep your job. Many on VN talk about Houston Kress. He knows nothing about football but knows how to get clicks. Jimmy Hyams and John Adams are trying to do the same thing.
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I don't disagree in general, and that crosses over into other fields of journalism.

His comments or answers to questions are not a story in the sense that its left up to journalist to dig up the facts. If they choose to have a positive or negative reaction to his answers that doesn't mean anything to me. I can read the text or listen to the audio and form an opinion if needed.
 
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99gator said:
By that definition, Vanderbilt is contending to win the East.

Beat Georgia and Tennessee. Lost to Florida by a score in a game they could have easily won.
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Throw in Kentucky while you're at it. They were 4-4 just like us last year.
 
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I would give anything for a coach who embraced the high expectations rather than constantly trying to redefine success with dumb quotes like this latest one.
 
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BeecherVol said:
I don't disagree in general, and that crosses over into other fields of journalism.

His comments or answers to questions are not a story in the sense that its left up to journalist to dig up the facts. If they choose to have a positive or negative reaction to his answers that doesn't mean anything to me. I can read the text or listen to the audio and form an opinion if needed.
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You and I look at text, but very few others do the same.
 
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BeardedVol said:
Except when you're not. 3 games still on the schedule, and we need Florida to lose 2, even if we win out, in order to take the division is not being a contender. If we were talking about any other team besides Tennessee, you'd say the same.
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like i said, us not winning the East had more to do with what we DIDN'T do, than needing FL to lose.

as correct as you are about your assertion at the end of October, it's equally true that at the beginning of October, we were in prime position to win it, and most certainly expected to do so at that point.

i'm not arguing the math. just stating that when you knock off the top two contenders for the division, you're contending for it.
 
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99gator said:
By that definition, Vanderbilt is contending to win the East.

Beat Georgia and Tennessee. Lost to Florida by a score in a game they could have easily won.
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nice. while technically correct, like with bearded, i'm not going to argue the math, but given where the games were played on the schedule, after the 1st week of October, there was a pecking order, both based on results, and, at the time anyway, reasonable expectations for the rest of the season. and TN was on top of that board.

once we beat GA and FL...10-2/6-2 was no longer a fantasy. it as a realistic end result, and would have gotten us to ATL.

we didn't do either, so hear we are. even after losing to Bama and aTm, all we needed was FL to lose one more of LSU, ARK and/or GA. they did.

no one saw us losing to USCe and Vandy.

what a waste.
 
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BeecherVol said:
:hi:

From that standpoint, I don't think the media matters that much in the perception of Jones. At least not from this site.
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Many criticisms of CBJ on VN are the direct result of media quotes given without context on social media.
 
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jakez4ut said:
like i said, us not winning the East had more to do with what we DIDN'T do, than needing FL to lose.

as correct as you are about your assertion at the end of October, it's equally true that at the beginning of October, we were in prime position to win it, and most certainly expected to do so at that point.

i'm not arguing the math. just stating that when you knock off the top two contenders for the division, you're contending for it.
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How is that? Even if we didn't lose to Vandy, we still needed Florida to lose against Arkansas and LSU in order to win the division.

Winning out in November literally wouldn't have mattered in the divisional race unless Florida lost both games.
 
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BeardedVol said:
How is that? Even if we didn't lose to Vandy, we still needed Florida to lose against Arkansas and LSU in order to win the division.

Winning out in November literally wouldn't have mattered in the divisional race unless Florida lost both games.
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no one looked at FL's schedule and thought they'd go 8-0 or 7-1. especially if we beat them.....and they didn't.

so, what we did (beating FL and GA), and didn't do (losing the aTm, Vandy and USCe games) had more to do with not winning the division than anything FL did or didn't do. we lost 3 very winnable games, after doing the yeoman's work of putting GA and FL aside.

you're harping on November, and using the end of October as your line of demarcation....yeah, once we lost to USCe and had 3 losses, things start to look a lot less rosy. but, sitting there 2-2 in the conf, Post Bama game, no one expected us to lose again. that's all i'm saying.

like i said, i'm not arguing the math. i get it.
 
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BeardedVol said:
Except when you're not. 3 games still on the schedule, and we need Florida to lose 2, even if we win out, in order to take the division is not being a contender. If we were talking about any other team besides Tennessee, you'd say the same.
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The Vols contended for the SEC East championship last year til the last conference games for UT and UF. On Nov. 18, odds makers gave us the highest probability to win the East. Then, UF upset LSU in Baton Rouge in UF's last conference game, and we laid an egg at Vandy in our last game.

But, yep, because CBJ is so obsessed with keeping the narrative positive around UT football, he will dig up positives after a disappointing season and make dumb comments.
 
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