What an opposing coach says about the end of our year

[BeardedVol]

To me, this is the root of NegaVoldom, Jake. Anything short of perennially vying for NCs from year 2 reveals the coach/staff/AD to be sub-par, inadequate to the University and undeserving of their employment by and affiliation with Tennessee.

Admittedly, I enjoy reasoned arguments about the state and future of our program and the merits of those contributing to it, and I recognize the VNsters who do so in the FF.

Can you find an instance where anyone, other than possibly D4H, has criticized Butch Jones for not being a national title contender in 2015 and 2016?

 

[jakez4ut]

To me, this is the root of NegaVoldom, Jake. Anything short of perennially vying for NCs from year 2 reveals the coach/staff/AD to be sub-par, inadequate to the University and undeserving of their employment by and affiliation with Tennessee.

Admittedly, I enjoy reasoned arguments about the state and future of our program and the merits of those contributing to it, and I recognize the VNsters who do so in the FF.

and i don't get that notion from the vast majority of people debating here, even the most negative ones, rarely have i seen people state it's NC or bust, every year, and if you don't do that, fire everybody.

what little, and it is little, you do see reflecting that notion is the fringe, or trolls.

but it's no different than D4H's proclamations that we're going 15-0, and 2-3 Vols per year are going to be heisman finalists.

he too, is what i would consider fringe....or trolls.

it's a select few that fall on either side of that fence, and hardly an accurate representation of the fanbase at large, no matter what you think about CBJ and the state of the program.

 

[KBVol]

To me, this is the root of NegaVoldom, Jake. Anything short of perennially vying for NCs from year 2 reveals the coach/staff/AD to be sub-par, inadequate to the University and undeserving of their employment by and affiliation with Tennessee.

Admittedly, I enjoy reasoned arguments about the state and future of our program and the merits of those contributing to it, and I recognize the VNsters who do so in the FF.

Complete, 1000% false narrative. Nobody, and I mean nobody on here talks about a national title being the goal, ever, other than D4H and we all know he's a clown not to be taken seriously.

All I ever ask for is for Butch to recruit well, which he very much does, and then take that talent and play good, solid, disciplined, fundamental football with great effort....along with solid decision-making from the sidelines on game day. Win the games you're supposed to, occasionally win one or two you're not supposed to....and win the East Division.

At this point, I couldn't care less if they actually win an SEC title, much less a national one. Just win your division, a relatively bad SEC East division, and just go play in the SECCG.

That's a far cry from what you (knowingly) incorrectly posted.

 

[Behr]

agreed, but this thread isn't really all that unique....lol:

I know this thread is not unique to the issue, I just wanted to point out that it was happening at the moment, and I didn't even say what it was. Irony. Haha.

and Behr, just skip to the end where you just agree with me. besides, that's the point...to make you agree with me.

I see what you did there and I do agree.:thumbsup:

 

[jakez4ut]

I know this thread is not unique to the issue, I just wanted to point out that it was happening at the moment, and I didn't even say what it was. Irony. Haha.



I see what you did there and I do agree.:thumbsup:

don't worry, you didn't have to.:thumbsup:

 

[Iam4utalways]

sure they do. they're so desperate for it, they're willing to make up arguments about potential complaints, and complain about those....

what on Earth would happen if everyone just pumped sunshine?

eventually there'd be sunburn.....

complainers are not unique to 'negavols', as thunder has proved.

pumpers complain about negavols, negavols complain about performance and results etc....

either way.......everyone needs something to complain about.:thumbsup:

Not so fast. Everyone has something to complain about, Pumpers choose not to, negabombers do. I'm not sure if they have a choice or not.

I get that we are all bored and don't have enough real life excitement, but to stir up a bunch of mess just to bug other Vol fans IS out of line.

If rather drum up stuff to goof on the bammers and gators, rather than the Vols.

Vol bashing gets old to me. Certainly when the truth is what it is.

Who said it best?

Go freebase some GBO and have a blast with 121.

 

[jakez4ut]

Not so fast. Everyone has something to complain about, Pumpers choose not to, negabombers do. I'm not sure if they have a choice or not.

I get that we are all bored and don't have enough real life excitement, but to stir up a bunch of mess just to bug other Vol fans IS out of line.

If rather drum up stuff to goof on the bammers and gators, rather than the Vols.

Vol bashing gets old to me. Certainly when the truth is what it is.

Who said it best?

Go freebase some GBO and have a blast with 121.

sure they do. negas give them the vehicle, and they like to drive.

it's like Jack in a few good men..."you want me on that wall, you NEED me on that wall". lol.

 

[jakez4ut]

To me, this is the root of NegaVoldom, Jake. Anything short of perennially vying for NCs from year 2 reveals the coach/staff/AD to be sub-par, inadequate to the University and undeserving of their employment by and affiliation with Tennessee.

Admittedly, I enjoy reasoned arguments about the state and future of our program and the merits of those contributing to it, and I recognize the VNsters who do so in the FF.

expounding on my point about the ultra positive side of this coin....the significant value they find in CBJ is also done regardless of the ACTUAL shortcomings he has brought to the table during his tenure here.

it's the ignorance on both sides, to acknowledge the truth for what it is. easy to excuse away bowl wins, wins over FL, and GA, APR, recruiting and all the other off field stuff for game day mishaps, bad losses, and being a PR nightmare at times, and vice versa.

he has been both good and bad. and the results reflect it. better than it was, AND not where it could be.:thumbsup:

 

[FLVOL_79]

Here's what an opposing coach has to say in Athlon about the end of our year last year:

"I don't know how they'll be on defense. As everybody over there got hurt, they got really bad, and you can sit there and say it's the coaches fault, but when you're playing with second- and third-stringers in our league you'll get gashed, especially on the back end. Vanderbilt hung (45) on them and it's not like Tennessee doesn't know what they are doing"

What about it Negavols, you are always blaming CBJ? Here's an opposing coach saying you can't blame coaching.

I think most people who blame coaching never played sports in their lives and assume that when a play doesn't pan out it can never be the players fault.

Fair coaching blames are time management and play selection..the execution is on the players.

 

[Iam4utalways]

sure they do. negas give them the vehicle, and they like to drive.

it's like Jack in a few good men..."you want me on that wall, you NEED me on that wall". lol.

I would much rather complain about negabombers and have them defend themselves for being "realistic" than to end up being negabombed in a "good news" thread.

The last thing I want or need is some "Vol Fan" dumping on my team(the one I root for).

Leave that to the gators and bammers on here, it's easy to figure out why they are so dumb.

 

[VolinMC]

expounding on my point about the ultra positive side of this coin....the significant value they find in CBJ is also done regardless of the ACTUAL shortcomings he has brought to the table during his tenure here.

it's the ignorance on both sides, to acknowledge the truth for what it is. easy to excuse away bowl wins, wins over FL, and GA, APR, recruiting and all the other off field stuff for game day mishaps, bad losses, and being a PR nightmare at times, and vice versa.

he has been both good and bad. and the results reflect it. better than it was, AND not where it could be.:thumbsup:

Well said Jake. Your last sentence is the way I feel,"better than it was, AND not where it could be."
I think a lot of people feel this way also,they just have different ways of saying it and then the "super" fan(posi & nega) takes it the wrong way and the fun really starts.

 

[VolinMC]

I think most people who blame coaching never played sports in their lives and assume that when a play doesn't pan out it can never be the players fault.

Fair coaching blames are time management and play selection..the execution is on the players.

Yes,coaches and players can and should be blamed depending on the play at the time. Execution by everyone is just as important as the playcalling.

 

[Tin Man]

Among my generation (I played with Dirt before she sprouted grass and Mother Nature shipped her off to boarding school), the long off-season has been and remains a time for revery. Indulging in flights of fancy, contriving scenarios in which the Vols win every game of their forthcoming schedule, proclaiming "15 and Oh, baby!" is a right, a cathartic ritual, a replenishment of spirit, a cleansing reset of unfettered hope, unwavering fandom, a respite from reason and reality - One day, a champion will come, and Tennessee will lift the trophy one more... We all reacquaint ourselves with reality and stay grounded through the season, but we acknowledged the benefit to ourselves and charitably give allowance for such during the long wait.

To relegate the above to the likes of D4H is close-minded and a bit unwise. Yours will be a sere and gray fandom, comparatively.

 

[Tin Man]

Anything short of perennially vying for NCs from year 2 reveals the coach/staff/AD to be sub-par, inadequate to the University and undeserving of their employment by and affiliation with Tennessee.

If the above touched a nerve, then I surmise this is because it is too close to the truth for some of you. I did not yank this out of thin air. I've read numerous proclamations in the FF that Tennessee's rightful place in college football is to be challenging for championship any given year, 10-2 or better is the expected norm, less than double-digit wins is an off year, and so forth. The conclusion of each of these was that an administration and coaching staff that could not sustain such was unworthy of our University.

If you dispute that the above has ever been posted, then I contend you're in denial. My eyes aren't the only ones to have seen it.

 

[Iam4utalways]

Among my generation (I played with Dirt before she sprouted grass and Mother Nature shipped her off to boarding school), the long off-season has been and remains a time for revery. Indulging in flights of fancy, contriving scenarios in which the Vols win every game of their forthcoming schedule, proclaiming "15 and Oh, baby!" is a right, a cathartic ritual, a replenishment of spirit, a cleansing reset of unfettered hope, unwavering fandom, a respite from reason and reality - One day, a champion will come, and Tennessee will lift the trophy one more... We all reacquaint ourselves with reality and stay grounded through the season, but we acknowledged the benefit to ourselves and charitably give allowance for such during the long wait.

To relegate the above to the likes of D4H is close-minded and a bit unwise. Yours will be a sere and gray fandom, comparatively.

D4H is a bandwagon fan which makes him a Jackwagon.

Don't waste your time with him.

15-0! GBO.

 

[Smallvol#1]

Tin Man,

1) Read one chapter of Pollyanna,
2) Read one chapter of any Imannuel Kant book,
3) Memorize one page, your choice, of Roget's Thesaurus,
4) Read 25 pages of the dictionary, Webster's only is approved,
5) Repeat the General's maxims 5 times (I know you have them memorized),
5) Write a letter of apology to Grammar Nazis everywhere and post on board, at least 300 words.

You will be forgiven.

 

[jakez4ut]

If the above touched a nerve, then I surmise this is because it is too close to the truth for some of you. I did not yank this out of thin air. I've read numerous proclamations in the FF that Tennessee's rightful place in college football is to be challenging for championship any given year, 10-2 or better is the expected norm, less than double-digit wins is an off year, and so forth. The conclusion of each of these was that an administration and coaching staff that could not sustain such was unworthy of our University.

If you dispute that the above has ever been posted, then I contend you're in denial. My eyes aren't the only ones to have seen it.

well, it's changed from national championship, to just championship. it's also changed from winning them to challenging.

so, if the assertion is the expectation for this program is challenge for championships, then yes, i wholeheartedly agree.

now, as you begin to define 'championship', no one thinks that means national titles every year.

but should TN be competing for the East championship, thus an SEC championship on a REGULAR basis? yes.

define regular....means something different to everyone. considering who we generally compete with....i'd say a couple divisions ever 5-6 years, an SEC title every 5-6 years is regular. do that enough, and you may find yourself in the CFP contending for more.

and no, i don't dispute that the national title talk as originally described has never been posted, but do contend that those that do fall in the fringe/troll category.

and definitely not reflect the fan base as a whole.

 

[jakez4ut]

Among my generation (I played with Dirt before she sprouted grass and Mother Nature shipped her off to boarding school), the long off-season has been and remains a time for revery. Indulging in flights of fancy, contriving scenarios in which the Vols win every game of their forthcoming schedule, proclaiming "15 and Oh, baby!" is a right, a cathartic ritual, a replenishment of spirit, a cleansing reset of unfettered hope, unwavering fandom, a respite from reason and reality - One day, a champion will come, and Tennessee will lift the trophy one more... We all reacquaint ourselves with reality and stay grounded through the season, but we acknowledged the benefit to ourselves and charitably give allowance for such during the long wait.

To relegate the above to the likes of D4H is close-minded and a bit unwise. Yours will be a sere and gray fandom, comparatively.

everybody gets something different out of it. your way is not THE way.

besides, this board is entertainment, not a referendum on who's a bigger fan, as some would have you believe.

 

[BeecherVol]

If the above touched a nerve, then I surmise this is because it is too close to the truth for some of you. I did not yank this out of thin air. I've read numerous proclamations in the FF that Tennessee's rightful place in college football is to be challenging for championship any given year, 10-2 or better is the expected norm, less than double-digit wins is an off year, and so forth. The conclusion of each of these was that an administration and coaching staff that could not sustain such was unworthy of our University.

If you dispute that the above has ever been posted, then I contend you're in denial. My eyes aren't the only ones to have seen it.

A response doesn't mean it touched a nerve. As Jake put it however, it doesn't make the idea accurate to that degree either.

 

[johnrlansford]

Calling some serious BS here. Not buying for a second.

Believe me or not 2 guys in there 50's both UT fans their entire lives have converted to Alabama fans in the past 10 years. No lie. NegaVols to Bama fans you seriously can't make that kind of stuff up!!! I tell them they are bandwagon fans but the bother were Tennesee fans for over 35-40 years

 

[Doberman]

Believe me or not 2 guys in there 50's both UT fans their entire lives have converted to Alabama fans in the past 10 years. No lie. NegaVols to Bama fans you seriously can't make that kind of stuff up!!! I tell them they are bandwagon fans but the bother were Tennesee fans for over 35-40 years

If a Vol fan can flip to a Bama fan, he was never a Vol to begin with.

 

[johnrlansford]

If a Vol fan can flip to a Bama fan, he was never a Vol to begin with.

That is where you are wrong, if you are Negative about anything all the time because it isn't what you think it should be and it never changes eventually you change it. How many failed marriages have been because of the same issue.

It isn't that ridiculous, One guy left after the passed Kippy Brown for the coaching job. The other bailed after the hiring of Dooley with a horrible resume! They both became so jaded with the football program that they never recovered and it all started with their constant NegaVol attitude.

Believe me or not, I really don't care but it is a true story! I have to narrative here, just a simple responce to a post with a story that related! Say what you want but it really happen!

 

[jakez4ut]

Believe me or not 2 guys in there 50's both UT fans their entire lives have converted to Alabama fans in the past 10 years. No lie. NegaVols to Bama fans you seriously can't make that kind of stuff up!!! I tell them they are bandwagon fans but the bother were Tennesee fans for over 35-40 years

2 guys? whoa.

hell, i had a buddy of mine in college that wrote TN off after we lost to Memphis. never came back to TN or college football fandom as far as i know.

so that's 3. whoopie.

anything else?

 

[johnrlansford]

2 guys? whoa.

hell, i had a buddy of mine in college that wrote TN off after we lost to Memphis. never came back to TN or college football fandom as far as i know.

so that's 3. whoopie.

anything else?

Negas gonna be Negas!!!

 

[jakez4ut]

Negas gonna be Negas!!!

it takes REAL fans to stick this kind of utter nonsense out.
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